Superdelegates aren’t going to break for Clinton. Well, wait, they are, but only if they’re scared of her. Well wait, actually, that’s only the DNC superdelegates. The elected superdelegates will break for whoever won their state. Well, unless they don’t, because they’re totally safe seats. In which case they break for Clinton. Unless they don’t.
Fuck I hate this tea leaf reading on electability related issues. Seriously, everybody in the country has an opinion on the innermost motives of three hundred some-odd people who they couldn’t name more than three of. Any idiot with a giant head and a folksy accent is given forty five minutes on TV to expound on exactly how and why the Hon. Rep. Bordallo of Guam is going to make her endorsement decision. It’s as content-free a spectacle as we’ve seen in this country since… well, since 24 hours a day from every direction and every form of media, but it’s still annoying.
All that said, shit yeah I have an opinion! A thoughtful, well-informed sense that this AP article may not be wrong on all counts:
For years, Bill and Hillary Clinton treated the Democratic National Committee and party activists as extensions of their White House ambitions, pawns in a game of success and survival. She may pay a high price for their selfishness soon.
Top Democrats, including some inside Hillary Clinton’s campaign, say many party leaders _ the so-called superdelegates _ won’t hesitate to ditch the former New York senator for Barack Obama if her political problems persist. Their loyalty to the first couple is built on shaky ground.
Now, I sort of doubt these calculations apply to sitting legislators; while they may end up dependent on the Clintons should HRC be elected, the Clintons will be every bit as dependent on their House and Senate majorities to get anything done.
Unelected superdelegates, which is to say DNC members, are a different story. Their ability to affect the direction of the party – and stay on the Committee – is a direct function of their relationships with the currently ascendant party activists in their home state: they aren’t answerable to any voters, and aren’t likely to think about the will of the voters when casting their votes. They are, on the other hand, answerable to other party activists, so as long as they think it’s fairly plausible for Clinton to win, they’ll probably stick with her: nobody wants to be left out in the cold. If, on the other hand, it looks like Barack is probably going to take it – if they don’t feel like they’re being quite so decisive – none of them really owes the Clintons very much, and if they’ve been a little distant from the middle of things (say, they were Kerry supporters from 2004, or worked for Bradley or even Gore) they would probably be quietly thrilled to be out from under the Clinton thumb.
Or, you know, not. You know as well as I do.
February 13, 2008 at 12:07 pm
“Fuck I hate this tea leaf reading on electability related issues.”
I sympathize, but putting aside Clinton’s HJR 114 vote and carrying water for Cheney’s Iran goals, there’s this.
February 13, 2008 at 12:22 pm
So, basically, the delegates will go for Clinton, unless they won’t? Brilliant! It’s good to have you back, tweety, this is why William Gibson pays you the big bucks.
February 13, 2008 at 12:32 pm
I have an opinion! A thoughtful, well-informed sense that <A href=”http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004179017_apondeadlineclinton12
Funny, this is exactly what I would have expected one of Sifu’s opinions to sound like.
February 13, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Heightening the contradictions, foolishmortal. Heightening the contradictions.
February 13, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Hmph.
I don’t think you should be allowed to fix an HTML typo once someone has used it to make a joke at your expense.
February 13, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Er, they don’t owe anything to the very much belonging to the Clinton? And which Clinton is the Clinton in that sentence of yours, Sifu?
February 13, 2008 at 12:57 pm
My goal is to make all of the comments to this post incomprehensible by fixing the errors they mock me for.
February 13, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Well, I’m having tea right now. And since I used tea bags, there are no leaves. Maybe that means Al Gore will be drafted instead.
February 13, 2008 at 3:22 pm
I wish I could find the exact wording, but this reminded me of a Richard Feynman quotation that went something like this:
“The ‘foot’ was originally based on the length of the king of France’s foot. But since nobody was allowed to actually measure the king’s foot, instead French scientists would poll a lot of people and then find the mathematical average of how long most people thought a foot would be.”
February 13, 2008 at 4:02 pm
[...] When I said, “Blah blah blah,” I meant this. [...]
February 13, 2008 at 6:07 pm
There are three possibilities:
1) Clinton will win outright based on pledged delegates, no superdelegates needed.
2) Obama will win outright based on pledged delegates, no superdelegates needed.
3) The sides will meet, and a deal will be struck.
You see, Timmy (you don’t mind if I call you Timmy?), the Democratic nomination is like a Slim Jim, with the candidates tugging on either end for control. The longer the candidates tug on the ends of the Slim Jim, the more disgusting it gets, if can envision that. If neither candidate gains an outright advantage, further tugging will eventually make the Slim Jim so disgusting that it will do neither candidate any good. So the candidates, being the wise people that they are, will reason amongst themselves, with one candidate coming away with the prize, and the other candidate to get a beef jerky and two Salted Nut Rolls to be determined later. Or something like that. Does that make sense? Good. That makes one of us.
February 13, 2008 at 7:05 pm
SD’s are 700, or so, mostly random people who go to their DNC meeting once a month and raise their hands to go to other interesting and exciting meetings in the slightly bigger city in your area. Then they raise their hands to go the big state meeting.
Sometimes they get to go to the big meeting every four years in the big national city! The dude in the next cubicle might be a “super” delegate.
They don’t have enough of these people. It’s actually hilarious when you meet the Electors and the real SD’s. So all the members of Congress, very former or current Democratic Party celebrities,(pinch me it’s Alice Rivlin), current governors, warm bodies.
It’s from amongst these people that the folks who really vote for the President come, (how exciting.)
Why all this? Democratic Republic, federalism, keep the mob from hurting themselves design. They would change it, but nobody shows up to the meeting.
By the way, there is no way in fucking hell that these people will vote for Hillary Clinton if Barack Obama has more of the popular votes, actually they’ll use any excuse. I’ll put that in the bank.
Meet the Super Delegates!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Democratic_Party_Superdelegates
February 13, 2008 at 7:07 pm
OK, 796 randoms.
February 14, 2008 at 1:21 am
Rush and/or 80′s rap posts are the remora of liberal fascism.
February 14, 2008 at 8:16 am
My goal is to make all of the comments to this post incomprehensible
The goal of all true bloggers. But this being the Poorman, there’s a simpler solution. You just hit “Post”.
February 14, 2008 at 9:46 am
For those not into tea, there’s always hippomancy, the method of telling the future by observing the behavior of ponies!
February 14, 2008 at 10:10 am
Huffing paint out of a paper bag is a sure fire way to not only improve your memory, allow you to see deeper into the future, it will also allow you to jump over seventy-five feet in the air!
P.O.B is full of vitamins that growing kids need to stay rad. Hey mom, how about picking up, new paint in a bag, now the paint is already IN THE BAG! You’ll be doing backflips at all the adventures you’ll go on. Why is that pony looking at me? Paint in a bag! In fourteen delicious scents! Paint in a bag! Huffing paint is crucial for the development of your child’s potential to become a professional ninja or a Nobel Prize winning, race car driving, president, T-Rex, spaceman, Tug Boat wench operator. If you want your kids to have all the advantages that come with tasting music and hearing color, paint in a bag is the only responsible choice. paint in a bag! Get that fucking pony out of my way!!1!!
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February 14, 2008 at 10:28 am
Let’s hear what people are saying about P.O.B life
“Thanks to POB I can see through the walls and identify which squirrels are actively pursuing a coup agenda and which squirrels are just contributing to the balkanization of my society.”
–Wolf Blitzer
Wow, that’s FANTASTIC. POB Culture, bro bro. He loves it, you’re gonna go ape shit for this mega-product. You have arrived, here’s your ticket to the glam life of multiversal emprassario.
May I take your bags, Mr. Pimp?
Yeah! You sure can, but please leave the one with the paint.
Of course Commander.
(POB!)
February 14, 2008 at 11:21 am
hmm. superdelegates scare me.
~gg
February 14, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Sifu,
I adore you for saying what I wanted to say only better. I linked you over at If I Ran the Zoo.
aimai
February 14, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Uli Kunkel says it best, I think: the supers will swing for whomever the polls et al indicate is most likely to WIN.
That almost certainly means my favorite uppity Negro.
Oh yeah. Richard Pryor’s dead, right?
OK then. Obama.
February 14, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Tug Boat wench operator? Can she not do her own operating?
February 14, 2008 at 6:14 pm
No, this is a very large tug.
February 14, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I’m here to help.
If you think the author of Virtually Normal hasn’t heard all of the Thomistic or, I dunno, Kantian arguments saying “It’s Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!” you’re kidding yourselves. If you don’t know what this is — and you can’t figure it out from the words “corrections and clarifications column” — maybe you should stop huffing the cleaning products under your sink.
My position on homosexuality might lead some folks to charge that I am immanentizing the eschaton.
It is this last category of readers who were ensnared by my conservative dork trap. And now that I have you tied up in curiosity, like Butch and Marsellus in Pulp Fiction, I can indulge myself at my leisure. “Immanentize the eschaton” is a hard-core conservative insider-thing. Sort of like saying “TK-421, where are you?” to a Star Wars freak.
February 14, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Paint in a Bag,Inc. considers these statement to be dubious, frivolous, in bad faith, and with no merit.
Paint in a Bag,Inc., understands that while America has come a long way, there are still those who hate color, and thus hate Paint in a Bag.
I wish we all could live Dr. King’s dream by huffing, together, new wild berry embolism or mellow out with synaptic sizzlers for babies. Why not give your baby all of your love, instead of just half like you’re doing now? Why do you hate your baby? Paint in a Bag!
At Paint in a Bag, luscious all synthetic paints bond with the finest fiber glass, in a bag, providing an experience that heightens senses to razor point. Who said that?
What?
Condor attack, everybody DOWN!
February 15, 2008 at 1:57 pm
But seriously, folks, does anyone really think that smart super delagtes are going to look at the possibilities of 46 year old handsome Obama next to decrepit old old old McCain, and say, “Hilary’s my girl?”
C’mon!