Hilzoy, the essential blogger:
As a number of people have pointed out, it’s very odd that people like Tim Russert assume that Barack Obama is under some sort of obligation to denounce (and refuse!) Louis Farrakhan, but John McCain can accept the support of John Hagee, who has said that “I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans,” without anyone but us lefty bloggers so much as batting an eye. [...]
The two cases are different, and different in ways that ought to make McCain have to denounce Hagee a lot more than Obama had to denounce Farrakhan. Before Farrakhan ever announced his support for Obama, Obama was on record denouncing his views, and in particular his antisemitism. Obama did not solicit Farrakhan’s support, appear with Farrakhan, or put out press releases announcing it.
Louis Farrakhan is a very scary black man who everybody assumed had been dead for twenty years, and denouncing him means about as much these days as denouncing Peter Frampton’s hair. Now, I would say something like that, wouldn’t I just?, being as I am a callow and thoughtless Gen X’er with no appreciation for the heated racial politics of the 1970’s and the pure rock-n-roll awesomeness of listening to some bell-bottom’ed tit warble into a vocoder for 20 minutes. All true, and I also don’t give Obama any particular credit for denouncing Farrakhan, as it’s not like he’s risked alienating anybody outside Farrakhan’s immediate family with these remarks. The whole question seems fucking pointless to me, is the point.
These sorts of things differentiate me from, say, the Washington Post’s ROFL Cohen, who was sure that Farrakhan posed a ‘test’ for Obama, after Obama’s minister’s sister’s magazine (or something) gave Farrakhan some community service award. That last sentence could use a few more “or something”s in there to give the full flavor of how I can’t figure out what ROFL is talking about or why, but I think that’s basically right. Many people found this column upsetting and silly, and I understand why, although, really, it was a gift. Much like in 1992, when Bill Clinton was praised for denouncing one of Public Enemy’s background singers, a Democrat was being asked to display ‘courage’ by publicly disagreeing with some obscure, preferably black, nobody. One is not sure what to make of this odd spectacle, but it is tradition, and not to be questioned. The press moves in mysterious ways, its blunders to perform.
Only, having denounced Farrakhan, and thus given him even more attention that anybody with a general sense of what decade it is knows he doesn’t deserve, we get from the previously outraged and indignant Cohen … nothing. Well, we did get a column about Britney Spears, and one about how John McCain is totally mavericky and awesome, one about Israel, and several banal campaign horserace columns. But nothing about the fact that Obama had ‘passed’ the phoney-baloney ‘test’ Cohen had set for him. How very odd.
March 1, 2008 at 6:01 am
Good points, but I think the attention of a clever but obscure blogger is much, much more than Cohen deserves. What you should be pointing out is that you deserve a daily column in the NYT. Or maybe that the NYT is barely good enough to wrap fish.
March 1, 2008 at 6:31 am
You know, in late 1999, Farrakhan held a press conference to announce he’d been seriously ill (cancer), that this was Allah’s way of speaking to him, that people of different religions and races had reached out to him, and that he realized now that people need to come together peacefully, regardless of race or creed.
I thought it was rather a big deal, someone who’d said so many inflammatory things backing down from them, but it didn’t get much press…
March 1, 2008 at 8:03 am
Sure, he denounced (and rejected) Farrakhan, but this is who he has lined up to play at the inauguration.
March 1, 2008 at 8:30 am
It wasn’t a Vocoder, it was a Heil Talkbox. Geeks like Radiohead use vocodors, real guitar men like Joe Walsh use a talkbox.
Geez, Editors.
March 1, 2008 at 8:41 am
I clicked through to make the same point as tweez.
Talk box.
This is the kind of stuff that makes us liberals look so unserious.
(Except for the comment about Joe Walsh. I don’t know what that’s about. I thought we were talking about rock music.)
March 1, 2008 at 10:18 am
That last sentence could use a few more “or something”s in there…
I find the phrase “and stuff,” to be particularly useful in cases such as this.
I think 1 “and stuff” = 3.7 “or somethings,” but I could be wrong about that.
March 1, 2008 at 10:31 am
Word on the street has it that the talkbox will be prominently featured at Obama’s inaugural ball.
March 1, 2008 at 10:37 am
I have a question…
Putting Obama on the spot for the views of someone he has no connection with and doesn’t hold, while passing up on John McCain’s embrace of bigots…
Is this treatment meted out because Obama is a liberal Democrat or because he is black?
A bit of both, I suspect.
But as it’s clear enough that Richard Cohen and Tim Russert had treated Obama in a way they would not have treated a white candidate, and held him to very different standards, someone should just call them out for being blatantly racist.
March 1, 2008 at 11:03 am
J-
This is the kind of unseriousness Dan and I are talking about. The Jonson Crew are quite obviously using a vocoder, not a talkbox.
The vocoder is the allgemeine Ansage of Liberal Fascism. The talkbox proclaims freedom on the march. Only a deeply unserious person can’t tell the difference.
March 1, 2008 at 11:13 am
Unserious is spelling the Jonzun Crew’s name wrong.
March 1, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Vocoders are most commonly used by the very robots who are coming to our planet to destroy us.
Talk Boxes are only used by aging soft-rockers who don’t know when to put their guitar away.
March 1, 2008 at 12:15 pm
someone should just call them out for being blatantly racist.
Unfortuneatley, Obama just can’t do that. He’ll be lumped in with a whole lot of folks people have been trained to despise.
Much better to just call them assholes.
March 1, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Volum,
Talkboxes are the wave of the future, man. And here’s the video to prove it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX6i76glyWc
The vocoder robots have already landed BTW:
March 1, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I don’t see what is so funny about this.
I carry around a David Horowitz-approved list of black people he finds scary, and I demand that each and every black or somewhat darkish person I encounter denounce and reject each and every name on that list into my portable digital video camera.
Sometimes they ask me then why Horowitz thought it would be fun to join the radical Black Panthers when it was quite obvious when such ego-led searching for exciting activism would be dangerous (and hence the death of his white female friend), and I get sort of confused, but then I just respond that until each and every person who ever voted Democrat admits that they worship the throne of Bill Ayers, then I am always right.
March 1, 2008 at 3:03 pm
all republicans, in ROFL’s calculus, should be forced to publicly denounce:
hans van spakovsky
Tim goegolein
john hagee
jerry falwell (i don’t care if he’s dead–he’s a scumbag)
that guy in florida with the blowjob thing
larry craig
that guy in indiana who raped his way through a young republicans convention
the national review
and so on.
what a bunch of assholes richard cohen is. and i mean that as written–he’s like an asshole mobius strip or maybe a klein bottle filled with assholes, each of which themselves is a klein bottle filled with other assholes, recursively to infinity and beyond.
March 1, 2008 at 3:07 pm
For chrissakes, people.
A) It’s JONZUN Crew. Not Jonsun, or Johnson. JONZUN.
B) Sure they used a vocoder.
C) Zapp, who sure as shit ain’t no Joe Walsh, definitely used a talkbox.
Glad that’s settled.
March 1, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Is this treatment meted out because Obama is a liberal Democrat or because he is black?
No other liberal Democrat but Obama was called out by Russert to explain remarks made by Harry Belafonte. Now Farrakhan.
Apparently, in Russert’s world, Obama owns everything said by someone Russert perceives to be of Obama’s race.
Is there a word for this???
March 1, 2008 at 3:13 pm
(shrug) It’s just one of the cute ways white folks like to bully black folks into being “good negroes”.
It’s not remotely close to a new phenomenon, despite impressions to the contrary given by “good whites”.
March 1, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Zapp, the Zapp Band, or Zapp & Roger? This is far from settled.
March 1, 2008 at 4:58 pm
From the Wikipedia article linked in the post: In October 1999, Texas Governor George W. Bush, a candidate for the 2000 Republican nomination for the presidency speaking before the conservative Manhattan Institute, said, “Too often, on social issues, my party has painted an image of America slouching toward Gomorrah,” quoting the title of a book by conservative jurist Robert Bork. Bush’s comments were seen as a repudiation of the religious right and an attempt to appeal to moderate voters
And we all saw how well that worked out for us.
March 1, 2008 at 6:20 pm
J-, S.T.F.,
1.) Zapp and Roger use the talkbox:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYiYgn1XWY
2.) Jonzun Crew is a little-known and even less cared-about group. No one cares how you spell it.
3.) Joe Walsh can rock the talkbox:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbSzWFJxC1o
4.) Damn!
March 1, 2008 at 6:26 pm
2.) Jonzun Crew is a little-known and even less cared-about group. No one cares how you spell it.
Oh no you didn’t.
Jonzun Crew, electro heroes of Boston? Maurice Starr’s launching pad? Composers of the immortal anthem “Pack Jam”? They are heroes, sir. Heroes.
March 1, 2008 at 6:33 pm
[...] is righted Posted by Sifu Tweety Fish under Uncategorized Because a commenter who will remain nameless is of the obviously mistaken impression that the Jonzun Crew is “little-known and even less [...]
March 1, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Step aside, Nader 2000, comparative success of the Cuban Revolution, Mac vs. PC, U.S. and NATO intervention in the former Yugoslavia, and 9/11 Was an Inside Job. We got ourselves a real fight now!
I don’t know about other parts of the country, but in California the Jonzun Crew’s stuff was serious breakdancing music. “Pack Jam” is a jam. And you know “Candy Girl” by New Edition? That’s right, a Michael Jonzun composition.
March 1, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Apparently, in Russert’s world, Obama owns everything said by someone Russert perceives to be of Obama’s race.
Is there a word for this???
Negrophobia in response to perceived negritude.
March 1, 2008 at 6:57 pm
I stand corrected. That’s some righteous use of the vocoder.
And I’m sure there’s a great deal of nostalgia appeal for all you b-boys out there that I’m missing out on.
Thank y’all for the schooling.
March 1, 2008 at 7:33 pm
I will not be able to sleep tonight, thanks to this.
March 1, 2008 at 7:36 pm
I resent the implication by some commenters that Peter Frampton is somehow more “rock” than Joe Walsh.
Funk #49 vs… anything by Frampton.
Pshaw.
March 1, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I have no desire to become a James Carville to Richard Cohen’s Ken Starr, but indulge me. Today, in the Washington Post, Cohen writes about the re-instatement of Mike Tyson by the Nevada Boxing Commission. I’ve taken the liberty of replacing the name Mike Tyson with Bill Clinton, champ with President, fight with politics, fighter/athlete with politician, Mel Sokolow with Harry Thomasson, and Fallen Champ with The Man from Hope. Everything else is the same.
March 1, 2008 at 10:39 pm
You callow Gen X’ers don’t know the hell it was back in the ’70s when black people ran everything and all us white people were lynched and raped and couldn’t get good apartments. Man, I was THERE!
March 2, 2008 at 6:11 am
non-black president? what do you mean? Obama is half Lebanese, half Kenian, born in Hawaii. Define yourself Mr. President.
March 2, 2008 at 6:51 am
Neither of Barack Obama’s parents is Lebanese nor Kenian (whatever that is). One is Kansan, one is Kenyan.
March 2, 2008 at 6:36 pm
I still do not know what either obama or hillary would do to fight osama bin laden and whether they will continue to allow illegals into the country.
marianne
March 3, 2008 at 8:57 am
Bell-bottomed? Sure. Bell-bottom’d? If the scansion requires it. Bell-bottom’ed? Now you’re just trying to annoy me.
Cannot -> Can’t. Is not -> Isn’t. The Poorman his -> The Poorman’s (yes, that’s the derivation.) See, in each case, there are letters removed — that’s (that is — see how that works!) what the little ‘ thingie signifies. You’re not allowed to use it, otherwise.
March 3, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I for one, hopes Obama nominates Joe Walsh for the Supreme Court. Bring on ‘the Bomber.’
March 4, 2008 at 11:37 pm
I want John McCain to renounce the word “bitch”. Reject, too.