It just won’t stop. Contrarian Mickey Kaus is having a full-blown contrarian orgasm, comparing Andrew Sullivan’s swishy dream of a post-racial future with his telepathic knowledge of what reg’ler folks thinks:
I also think it’s pretty clear that Sullivan-style logic is at the core what Ms. Ferraro meant when she said “[he] happens to be very lucky to be who he is” and that “the country is caught up in the concept” of his presidency. She’s not arguing that he’s where he is because black voters are caught up in identity politics–more the opposite, that white and black voters alike are caught up in the idea of ending identity politics. Nor does she does she seem to be arguing it’s wrong to be at least temporarily “caught up” in this concept. But the concept wouldn’t be there if Obama was white.
P.S.: Several normally canny commenters have taken issue with the idea that the Ferraro controversy hurts Obama. They suggest that, even if it loses him white male votes, what he needs now are superdelegates–and it will help turn disgusted superdelegates against Hillary. [...] Skeptical conservative Democratic voters in Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana might not forget so easily, though–especially if the Obama campaign can blunder its way to keeping this story alive for a week or two. What would really, permanently impress wavering superdelegates, after all, is if Obama can carry large chunks of the white male vote in those three big states.
Previously:
P.S.: Does the Obama campaign really want to prolong this controversy? Doesn’t he need white male votes in Pennsylvania, Indiana, and North Carolina? Didn’t that Jesse Helms ad work? Just asking!
The point being, as near as I can determine, that disputing the idea that Obama derives his support from melanin will not play well with ‘white males’ in southern/midwestern states. Coincidentally, this idea also plays poorly with Mickey Kaus. But that’s just a total coincidence. The point is that stout yeomen tilling the good earth of the heartland won’t buy it, and it will be bad from a campaign horse race standpoint. And that’s the point he’s trying to make.
Elsewhere, Ferraro claims she is a victim of racism, as many poor souls have before her. Many express concern that “working class whites” may never join Obama’s coalition outside-the-mainstream blacks and effete chardonnay-and-brie liberals. She sets the record straight on the show of working class hero Bill O’Reilly, and Bill is convinced:
O’REILLY: Look, I got it, but you’re gonna get hammered by it, but if anybody does, let me know, and I’ll take care of them. Geraldine Ferraro, everybody. Geraldine’s too nice, see.
Chivalry, I am pleased to announce, is not dead.
Whether or not Ferraro’s statements were intentionally racist – there are classes of stupid statements, even stupid statements involving race, which are not actually “racist” – there’s no doubt who they will, intentionally or not, resonate with. People who think black people get preferential treatment, and that their own misfortunes are due to the preferential treatment black people get. Racists, mostly, I’d say. Are “working class whites” more likely to be racist than bloggers for Slate.com? I don’t know. Is the suspicion that blacks get preferential treatment an issue that resonates more with “working class whites” than with hosts of cable news talk shows? I don’t know the answer to that, either. But I may know two things.
- If something appeals to “racists”, don’t say it appeals to “working class whites”. Even if 99% of working class whites were in the KKK, it would still be insulting and, much less forgivably, imprecise. I know many not-remotely white people and/or people from not-remotely working class backgrounds who are racists. I know many working-class white people who are not. Appeals to racism – intentional or not – appeal to racists. It’s not more complicated than that. Don’t confuse things.
- If you pull down a six- or seven-figure salary working in a cushy media job, and especially if you spend time in a makeup chair before putting on your gossipy news “show”, you forfeit the right to speak for the “working class”, or anybody who has a real job, ever again. If your made-up face on your catty chat show is beamed down to normal people from far-out satellites, you are basically a Mick Ronson riff away from being Ziggy Stardust, and should probably work on coming to grips with that, rather than imagining that you are somehow the authentic proletariat. You’re a freaky moonage rich person in spaced-out freaky daydreamland, man. Deal with it.
… Obama’s skin is the wrong color. If he wins the primary, we are going to talk about nothing but this transcendently interesting issue for the next 8 months. If he wins the election, we will talk about nothing but this transcendently interesting issue for 4 years, unless his term is cut short for some reason – a reason which, it will no doubt be agreed, stems from the peculiar, yet fortunate, shade of his skin. Plan your intake of prescribed pharmaceuticals accordingly. For myself, I plan to see if Google knows what these “goofballs” are that the kids are all in to, and how I might go about getting “fucked up on goofballs” for the term of my natural life, or at least until the internet and every media outlet dies of shame and stupidity. I’ll let you know if it helps.
… Now I’m all itchy. And everything still sucks.
March 13, 2008 at 11:23 pm
John Cole thinks the Clinton campaign – much like the Mickey Kaus end of the media – are going crazy trying not to blurt out “n….r!”
If Obama wins and puts McCain under pressure I suspect the wingnut craziness would boil over.
Sinking, hopefully, his campaign.
March 14, 2008 at 12:11 am
I’d put money on Obama keeping his cool. That guy has ice in his veins. It’ll drive the wingnuts insane.
As for the nonstop race fascination, well, that’ll be a good smokescreen. No one will pay any attention to him socializing health care. Take that wingnuts!
March 14, 2008 at 12:29 am
I think I have had it with everyone.
Ferraro doesn’t seem that bright, but even I could tell she was suggesting that Obama’s whatever was helping him in this particular instance, meaning he’s here now, what about right now, vs. Clinton, what does it all mean? What she was saying, and who knows if this is true, but it is arguable is that many people would prefer to seem sexist than racist, because sexism is more acceptable in our society than racism amongst the Village. Seeing how noone shows any desire to talk about policy (Talking Points Memo declares at the beginning of the campaign that they will not report on policy because everyone knows the differences between candidates- yeah right, and then proceeds to tell us time and time again how fucking bored they are with debates! Debates aren’t for you, assholes, they are for people in the particular states that maybe don’t read blogs or have time to fucking pore over petty fucking bullshit every day while making friendship bracelets with Yglesias and Klein).
The thing is I think Ferraro really meant to stress the dude part of “black dude” instead of the black part. There is no Triple Crown to determine whether racism or sexism is more ascendant or more damaging to either candidate, we just can’t ever determine that. What we can determine is that sexism is more pervasive than racism, whether or not racism is more damaging to its particular victims. In an election, where sheer numbers are most important, there are dudes of every flavor hatin’ on ladies of every flavor.
What I don’t understand are the arguments about the Clinton’s racism that declare the inner truth to be that they are obviously racist, notwithstanding a lot of ridiculous and deranged arguments like the NY Times Op Ed about the Clinton ad being “Birth of a Nation II: The Birthening.” The ridiculous arguments are driving the discourse. What is most clear is that the entire universe of people that “blog” for some aspect of their jobs has lost its collective fucking mind, and they are so desirous of having something to say, they’ll just become what they hate. Fucking pundits. Hey, everyone’s batting .500! They’re only wrong half the time.
Dear everyone, please quit your night jobs.
Also, John Cole is hilariously shrill, but maybe he can take 4-5 years off after being so dreadfully fucking wrong about everything in the world for the previous entire portion of his life.
March 14, 2008 at 12:33 am
And yes, I realize that Ferraro gets more and more wrong every time she opens her mouth. But her original comments were deliberately misconstrued, but happily she abetted a nicely self-fulfilling prophecy of the blogs.
March 14, 2008 at 12:35 am
There’s a simpler explanation.
March 14, 2008 at 1:10 am
Yes, I know, she was a racist fuckwit all along. What I submit to the Editors that the proof was not in the pudding until subsequent to claims that it was so. Sometimes lazy and hackish can also be right. I object to the lazy and hackish parts.
March 14, 2008 at 1:28 am
Also, I agree with everything you’ve said here- I think the desire of the Punditboro to force their cheap and easy “conventional” wisdom on everything is simple insane. What I find even worse is that insetad of right wing blogs driving the insanity, a lot of our very near and dear commmunity are doing the same thing. What’s that? Drudge has a post about how Hillary has a full set of Coon Chicken Inn dinnerware? I KNEW IT! Oh wait, let me do it in Drum format: “I don’t know if this is true, so consider it with a grain of salt, but if it were true then of course it is shameful behavior from the Clinton camp. Here’s their non-denial* denial.”
*My trademark interpretation- actual denials are like infinity, you cannot reach such a Platonic ideal of denialism.
For the record, i think the Clinton campaign has been more desperate and thus have behaved more desperately. I think the situation was created by their poor game plan on the ground coupled with white hot Hillary hatred amongst a decent chunk of the population plus dudes that just can’t abide uppity bitches. I think Obama has been very smart and has essentially cornered the market on positivity. Those are the breaks, for HRC. She was doomed from the start to be oh so close. I know this is personally frustrating so I can’t really hold it against her. I think that many Obama fans were essentially gigantic concern trolls out of the gate, planting the seeds of dog whistles and racism . Luckily, someone would certainly oblige them eventually, as has Ferraro. Clinton supporters have been just as bad, but sadly as our culture is a giant misogynistic mess, it was certainly very easy for them to have plenty of raw material to allow them to project their own experiences with sexism onto Hillary’s experience in the campaign, thus it is quite personal.
March 14, 2008 at 2:03 am
Again, a less contrived explanation suggests itself.
I don’t know why GF said what she said – other than because she was upset because her candidate was losing – and I pointedly didn’t call her (or Kaus, or Matthews, or O’Reilly) a racist. I don’t even know what it was supposed to mean. All I know is what it sounds like, and subsequent clarifications haven’t made it sound any different. It’s straightforward.
As far as “dudes hating on the ladies”, the only defenders GF has that I’m aware of are the dudes Pat Buchanan, Mickey Kaus, and Bill O’Reilly, and the only lady being ‘hated on’ is GF. I haven’t done a full regression analysis of possible gender bias in reactions to GF saying dumb shit, partly because I’m really rusty at statistics, but mostly because I seriously don’t give a shit. Really, she should get a pass if her critics have dicks? Please. If you are getting too worked up about this, just read fewer blogs, or none. You won’t miss much. I read like 3-5 day, and that’s excessive. It’s all hot gas anyway.
And I’ll do the John Cole teasing around here, thank you very much.
March 14, 2008 at 2:05 am
If goofballs cured insomnia, I’d read a lot fewer, too.
Fucking goofballs. Useless.
March 14, 2008 at 3:59 am
Not to totally t-bag you, but nice post. Why don’t people just say it like it is: Obama doesn’t appeal to racists because he is of a different race. And racists have been taught that because their skin color is closer to white, all other races – mooslims included – are dirty and inferior. Except when they’re surfing porn sites – and then you should really check out http://www.bitchesforracists.com, because those boys really go in for the deep tans. – Not that I go there. I live in the Appalachian Mountains in North Carolina, but in the hippy area, where we drink shroom team and pretend we’re hobbits. Just saying.
March 14, 2008 at 6:35 am
Ah nice ot see the Editors has dialed up his Snark Effect field agayne:
If your made-up face on your catty chat show is beamed down to normal people from far-out satellites, you are basically a Mick Ronson riff away from being Ziggy Stardust, and should probably work on coming to grips with that, rather than imagining that you are somehow the authentic proletariat. You’re a freaky moonage rich person in spaced-out freaky daydreamland, man. Deal with it.
Ahhh been listening to Bowie lately, huh? I mean, I tried to find a youtube for Running Gun Blues to use for McCain, but I failed miserably.
March 14, 2008 at 6:49 am
Ah I get it, like the last youtube. Who the hell are those guys?
And, wouldn’t a satire riffing on the ‘pirate’ Keith Richards be more teh phunny? Seeing as how Guy Peeleart already painted the scene?
March 14, 2008 at 6:56 am
I’d put money on Obama keeping his cool. That guy has ice in his veins. It’ll drive the wingnuts insane.
Well, he doesn’t have much choice, now does he, since he’s taken the High Road Tack (not that Obama isn’t a cool customer in his own right, but he has claimed the I’m Gonna Bring Us All Together mantle). I mean, he felt that he had to let an unpaid policy wonk go (the next day!) after she said something stupid and immediately retracted it and apologized properly while the other team’s hatchet men and women say worse things with premeditatated malice aforethought, and never apologize, but rater claim victomhood on O’Reilly’s shitty program. But I guess Obama’s just lucky that way.
And the HRT is unavoidable anyway, because the slightest movement in the other direction, and the wildly liberal WaPo, Howard Fineman, MoDo, Chris Matthews, Tim Russert et al will start screaming “Scary Negro” into a hugeass bullhorn. And that probably wouldn’t resonate very well with the certain voting groups. You dig?
March 14, 2008 at 7:57 am
I don’t get it.
Ferraro may not be a racist, but I can’t see how her comments could be construed as anything other than racist. She effectively said that he got his votes from equal opportunity voters.
How could this have been just one of those “stupid statements involving race, which are not actually “racist””? Could someone explain this to me?
March 14, 2008 at 8:06 am
Seriously, I’m starting to think that just cutting myself off from all media from now until the election is the only way that I will preserve my sanity, my dignity, and any remaining shred of pride or even interest in being a citizen of this country. We’re hip-deep in quickly rising stupidity, and we’re still months away from the conventions nevermind the actual election. I don’t think I’m up to dealing with another 8 months of Very Serious Discussion by Very Serious People about whether Obama’s old church pastor being a cranky old black man means that Obama is actually a mole for Louis Farrakhan and Osama Bin Ladin while excuse me but Iraq appears to be on fire, rememember Iraq? (…screaming continues…)
I guess what I’m saying here is: please pass the goofballs.
March 14, 2008 at 8:16 am
The idea that society favors black people isn’t an idea about black people, it’s an idea about society. Now, it’s an idea that A) makes no sense and B) probably appeals to people who don’t believe black people can compete with white (or whatever) people without some unfair advantage, but the fact is that the subject of the statement isn’t race. Imprecision.
March 14, 2008 at 8:17 am
By printing the title “Professor of Aesthetics” on his visiting cards, Oscar Wilde announced yet another transformation—and perhaps the most significant of his career, proclaiming his belief that he could redesign not just his image but his very self… Wilde’s life and work [influenced] the writing and performance of the twentieth century, particularly on the lives and careers of some of its most aestheticized performers: Truman Capote, Andy Warhol, David Hockney, and David Bowie.
Yeah.
March 14, 2008 at 8:44 am
Seriously, folks. GF, with HC’s tacit acceptance, has gone off on a classic Republican style “us whites are getting a raw deal because of them blacks” rant. Pinko, if you excuse HC, you are simply not reading the tea leaves. I don’t believe HC is racist, but she is willing to promote racist thinking for her benefit. Pretty disgusting for a Democrat.
March 14, 2008 at 8:53 am
News Flash Morty — GF is no longer associated with HRC campaign. Obama could always fire someone few people had ever heard of, like Power; but Ferraro is still a household name in Dem circles. Ever see Eddie Purphy play Gumby? I’m GF dammit!
Let it go already. Moreover, the quick on the draw meme of ‘any citing of affirmative action’ qua racism quite ignores the very real and unpleasant reality of Condoleezza Rice, the beneficiary of both old and new school Affrimative Action. (her dad was an admin at DU brought in from Alabama State, somehow she got admission at 16 to DU). Still took her 8 years to complete her PhD after her baccalaureate.
March 14, 2008 at 9:13 am
“What we can determine is that sexism is more pervasive than racism…”
I disagree that sex is more pervated than racism.
March 14, 2008 at 9:39 am
I’m trying to see, and I think I do see.
That would still seem to be a comment about how society is racist (making it a racist comment), but I think I’ve got the argument.
March 14, 2008 at 9:56 am
secondharmonic, the people Obama fired were integral to his campaign. are you suggesting that it was easier for him to promptly discharge them than it would have been for HRC to strip GF of her largely ceremonial title? No way. It could have been done immediately and easily. The fact that it wasn’t speaks volumes.
March 14, 2008 at 10:06 am
I haven’t done a full regression analysis of possible gender bias in reactions to GF saying dumb shit
You’d have a large N, at least…
March 14, 2008 at 10:12 am
Here’s a shout out to my homies in the working-class white community! Take that Southie!
PS: Does Kaus approve of the strategy of black guys singing Irish drinking songs?
March 14, 2008 at 10:27 am
The Flight of the Conchords, feat. non-members of The Crazy Dogggz.
No, “society is X” would also be a comment about society, not about race, even if X has to do with race. “The orange is tasty” says something about the orange, not about tastiness. “Native Americans are X” would be a racist statement, unless it were true, in which case I guess it would just be true. Yeah, it’s a pretty anal distinction – particularly, as in the present case, when the statement can so easily be used to confirm racist ideas – but it’s a distinction we can make, so we might as well.
March 14, 2008 at 10:49 am
Yo I’m Geraldine Ferraro beeyatch! Ya’ll wouldn’t be no where without me breaking the bigass glass ceiling for ya, muckafotha! I got boodles of connections, why? Cuz I’m Geraldine Ferraro Dammit!
March 14, 2008 at 10:50 am
And ‘integral part of the campaign’? Well, that’s a novel admission from the Obama camp, I must say.
Even more troubling.
March 14, 2008 at 10:54 am
Secondharmonic:
So you don’t think that HC gave GF the go ahead to do her round of talk shows?
GF just did that on her own without consulting the HC campaign on what they thought was the best strategy?
Is that your position?
March 14, 2008 at 10:59 am
Eds,
It wasn’t the penises hating on GF, it was the penises hating on HRC, which I think was the marinade that was saucing GF’s comments. I think she said “black” because she felt like this was item that was making Obama “untouchable” or was supposedly helping him in this contest, not necessarily in his life. It is impossible for me to be clear for the rest of this election as the internet is driving me insane. Of course I think racism exists and is a huge problem, but the fact that some Obama-leaning new media choads make it seem like nailing Clinton for racism is a like getting their wish for a coupon for a free back rub from the editors, and kittens.
Of course both candidates are more than happy to claim that they are more electable and part of doing that is implying the other candidate is less electable. I mean what if someone said The Dodd were not electable? First, I would slap their face, but second, it’s not an unexpected election tactic. So everyone can shut it!
Now, unless anyone has anything better to do, why not a triumphal Airwolf endorsement of HRC, if only to observe the response of the Cole beast?
March 14, 2008 at 11:04 am
“‘The orange is tasty’ says something about the orange, not about tastiness.”
All campaign strategists are liars.
March 14, 2008 at 11:06 am
I hope everyone controls their problems with emotional lability when you are all 73.
Are you, Morty, saying that ‘Hillary is a monster’ isn’t the ingrained thinking of all the chief Obama-ites?
And that is thereforre NOT the reason why they support neither a do-over in Florida, nor any compromise that might put Hillary on the ticket (as V.P.) even if that might help in the general election? Because that sure is the vibe I am gettting.
March 14, 2008 at 11:08 am
Dear The Editors–
Light has dawned over here in Marblehead. I *think* I get it, which is good, because this whole thing was very confusing to me.
(by the way, it would be interesting to hear what Mondale has to say on the subject of why he chose Ferraro, but I don’t think the name Mondale is going to help either campaign)
March 14, 2008 at 11:11 am
what’s this i hear about large chunks of white male meat?
March 14, 2008 at 11:21 am
Each day a new Christmas.
It reminds me of the turtle biting Grandpa Simpson with his own teeth for all eternity.
March 14, 2008 at 12:00 pm
secondharmonic
Answer my question, and I’ll happily try to answer yours.
March 14, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Obama never should have hit GF in the head with that shovel. Now the whole town of Rock Ridge is going to pay.
March 14, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Morty I just did. In fact IF you can answer mine, then apply it to your case, and as well to Ms Sophie Brown up thread — because whether or not you guys realize it, one of you two compadres just pwned the other…mkay?
March 14, 2008 at 12:32 pm
When is Obama gonna apologize for Clinton. George Clinton, for being too funky and confusing with Funkadelic AND Parliament.
March 14, 2008 at 12:38 pm
And I don’t have to answer jack. Moreover do I think a not very important person on HRCs finance staff who is a household name among Dems and was the party’s VP nominee 20 years ago and is 73 years old can and does have opinions that she doesn’t even ask to be vetted by people who are half her age? Yes, yes I do. Do I think the same can be said of a person who is the self-admitted chief foreign relations expert of another campaign, and who is some Irish born journalist-become-Harvard-prof just under 40 years of age is in the same position as the aforementioned personage vis a vis THEIR campaign? Actually I think that is dubious. But why don’t you and Ms Brown get together and decide who’s pwned.
March 14, 2008 at 12:46 pm
“and decide who’s pwned.”
Speaking of overworked argot, I’d really like to believe, Eds, that you weren’t responsible for the l33t cereal box, cause that would just be too much teh funny in one person.
March 14, 2008 at 1:06 pm
i’m effete, liberal, and i like chardonnay. but i don’t like brie. do i have teh problem?
March 14, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Pinko:
Did you see the clip of Obama dancing on the Ellen DeGeneres program? Not much funkiness to apologize for, I’d sad to say.
March 14, 2008 at 4:42 pm
When is Obama gonna apologize for Clinton. George Clinton, for being too funky
Never!
If Obama apologizes for that, I’ll never vote for him.
March 14, 2008 at 4:48 pm
If I may intrude with a link to the Daily Howler today, Bob Somerby is making many points that are influencing my thinking on these issues.
March 14, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Mommy, what’s a Funkadelic?
March 14, 2008 at 7:32 pm
I posted you a comment but blog ated it.
March 15, 2008 at 11:59 am
I’m not sure why I read all of these comments, but now I’m going to drink bourbon.
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