Oliver Willis, graciously:
I wonder if this could ever rise to the level of stripping the Patriots of their titles? At the very least I think the official record book should have a Roger Maris style asterisk.
I wonder. From Oliver’s link:
This is consistent with what the Patriots had admitted they had been doing, consistent with what we already knew,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told The Associated Press.
Now, Mr. Willis can afford to be gracious here, still riding high from the Redskins heroic victory last month, when they skillfully avoided drawing a game against the Pats in 2008. After last season’s debacle, there was some controversy about whether FedExField should install an NBA scoreboard or borrow the NYSE Big Board to keep track of the inevitable ass-whooping when the Patriots came to visit. (The expense could be offset by replacing the live stadium announcer with thie following 20-second tape loop: first-and-ten, Redskins … Campbell fumbles … Patriots ball … Brady steps back … Moss is wide open … touchdown! Patriots kick off …) A problem for another year.
John Cole, sadly, cannot bask in the glow of such triumphs, as the Steelers will be returning to Friendly Foxborough, MA for their regularly-scheduled beating. (Beatings which have become so regular that one begins to suspect that the Steelers actually enjoy them – however, until Ben Rothlisberger takes the field in a bondage mask, or Mike Tomlin congratulates Coach Belichick after the game with a submissive thank you, sir, may I have another? these thoughts will remain firmly in the realm of the speculative.) Generous Readers will take the following outburst with that in mind:
[quote]The list of the Walsh tapes indicates that the Patriots taped offensive and defensive coaches in regular-season games against the Miami Dolphins, Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns and San Diego Chargers. The team also made video of the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2002 AFC Championship Game.[/quote]
It is personal now. We lost that game 24-17, and it is not too out of bounds to suggest that the margin of victory, one touchdown, was through cheating.
Bill Belichick- Cheater.
New England Patriots- Cheaters.They should have their Superbowl stripped from them, as well as the AFC championship, and Belichick should get a lifetime ban.
Previous criticisms have involved trying to explain why, according to the rules of football, this makes no sense. These explanations have failed for a couple of reasons, the first being that nobody knows what the rules of American football are. I’ve been watching and playing football for a quarter century, and still not a game goes by where I don’t say “I literally have no idea what the fuck just happened there.” In the reckless days of my youth, when foreigners would ask me to explain football, I would say “well, you know rugby? It’s like that, except …” followed by 2 hours of discursive prattle, followed by everybody being more confused than when we started. Now I just say: “Two teams try to smash a ball from one end of a field to another. In between each play, there is a short episode of Perry Mason. It’s like bee-bop, daddy: if you have to ask, you’ll never know. Boo-bop-shoo-wop-bop-honk.” What this explanation lacks in explanation it more than makes up for in 1950′s popular culture references and lack of explanation. Dig it.
And really, the less time you spend with the NoFunLeague rulebook, the happier you will be. Mostly, it is concerned with the rules of evidence: who may use videotape to review a play, and under what circumstances; how long such a review may be; what length and color of sock one must be wearing during said review; and so on. The second-longest section is used to define the concept of “dancing” to quantum mechanical precision, followed by the word “BANNED!” written out in letters 50 stories high. (In football, as in bee-bop jazz and TV shows where Raymond Burr plays a lawyer, there is no dancing.) These sections are completely re-written after each season, if not each play. Nobody knows what is going on here, and anybody who pretends to know is lying, including the refs. There are also some appendices, included for completeness, which describe what to do if some kind of ball game breaks out, and these rules have some year-to-year-continuity. But this discussion, like all discussions of American football, has nothing to do with that.
I have digressed. We must now consider the second and most important reason why these explanations (of SpyGate’s inherent retardedness, not of football) have failed: you are speaking to people from another dimension. Something like the Twilight Zone, in many ways, if one were watching the Twilight Zone in a hash bar in the Bizarro World. Start with this real-world fact, undreamed-of by Mr. Cole and Willis: a camera is a device which records visual information for future reference. If you don’t understand me, try this experiment at home:
1. Look at something through a video camera. Let’s make it, for example, a big fat football coach standing in the middle of an 80,000-seat stadium during a nationally televised football game. Notice that you can see an image of that something. Notice also that the camera is recording this image of something. Think hard on the difference between these two things. Remember. It will be important later.
2. Take away the camera. Notice that you can still see Coach Fat Ass in real time. Notice that anything that you could see at that time with the camera, you could see without the camera (perhaps with an appropriately set of lenses), and that any information available to you while taping the coach is available while not taping the coach. However, be aware that you will not be able to see this image later. Because that’s what cameras do.
3. Now, put the camera back on the fat coach, and then move your eye away. Notice that you can’t see what he is doing anymore. But, thanks to the camera, you will be able to review what he is doing later. Not now. Later. In time. Which, in our universe, moves forward.
Now, if one produces a videotape of an event, it is evidence that someone made a record of this event for future, after-the-fact reference. Additionally, in addition to the 80,000 people in the stadium and the tens of millions of people watching on TV, some cameraperson was watching some defensive coach do something with his hands – information which, as it happens, would be useless to anyone in real time, which may be why nobody tries to hide it. But this is far beyond the scope of our current discussion. This is where we are in the real world.
In the Bizarro Bonghit Twilight Zone, however, “cameras” apparently have the magical ability to see things invisible to the eye, instantly decode this information and turn it into a football play, and them transmit them directly into the brains of all coaches and players on a given football team. Evidence that someone used a camera at that game is therefore evidence of gross cheating in that game, and it’s evidence which points to the kinds of cheating that saying “yeah we’ve been doing that for years”, and other Super Bowl-winning coaches saying “yeah, everyone’s been doing that for years” or the NFL sending out a league-wide memo saying “we know you are all doing this, so knock it off, and don’t you even think about dancing,” do not, because, um, because … like … oh, wow … um, cuz … like, whoa … yo, tell Rod Serling to call fuckin’ Dominos, man …
So, to review: in the real world, videotaping a pre-game practice – as was alleged, and alleged and alleged, could be evidence of cheating in a game. (Here, I wait patiently for Gregg Easterbrook to explain how the NFL has destroyed evidence of a second cameraman, perched on a nearby grassy knoll). But there is no such videotape. In a Dimension of Sight and Sound and Acapulco Gold and Shitty Local Football Teams, evidence of shit we already established happened constantly is evidence that you won the last fifty Super Bowls. Putting forth such half-baked theories in this universe, however, appears to be strongly correlated with having Tom Brady whip your team like they were his illegitimate model-spawn. It may be that football is too sophisticated, intellectually and emotionally, for certain fans. Other amusements might be more appropriate.
… “But wait!” you exclaim. “Consider this: what happens when my shitty-ass team plays the Patriots, and we break Tom Brady’s legs and win? You are going to feel pretty foolish then, I wager!” A fine point. But consider this: what happens when your shitty-ass team plays the Patriots, and you break Tom Brady’s legs, and then all the backup quarterbacks spontaneously combust? And then I have to play backup quarterback, except they don’t have any uniform that fits me, so I have to play naked on national TV and everybody in the world is laughing at my misshapen micropenis? And then you come in to quarterback, except they have no uniform for you so you have to wear the Iron Man superarmor and you break all the records in the world and are named SuperBowl MVP despite the fact that it’s still the preseason and then Gisele announces that she really loves you, and she has always really loved you, ever since you first jacked off to her picture all those many years ago? And then I fall in a big pile of poo and you live happily ever after THE END? How foolish will I feel then? Pretty foolish, pretty fucking foolish, all right. Trust me, these twin Swords of Damocles hang heavy above my head, Dear Friends, and certainly inform the circumspect character of this post.
May 8, 2008 at 7:59 pm
How ’bout those Saints!
Umm….yeah.
May 8, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Now that is what I am talkin’ about!
WOOOOOOOOO!
May 8, 2008 at 8:08 pm
You are totally missing the point. Those video cameras stole the souls of those coaches. That’s what enabled the Patriots to beat all those otherwise Super Bowl champion teams.
May 8, 2008 at 8:11 pm
I can’t believe people are still flogging this dead horse. Wake me up when, you know, someone gets caught bribing the referees like happened in Italian soccer a year and a half ago. Now that’s a sports scandal which puts the integrity of the sport into question.
This… this is FOOTBALL! Ginormous men slamming each other into the ground for 60 minutes! There’s no crying in football!
I think I’d rather listen to Hillary-bots lecture me for the next 100 years about how she’d be the nominee if only (fill in here your choice of bullshit, 20-20 hindsight rationale), than have to hear about this again.
Bitter much, John Cole?
May 8, 2008 at 8:16 pm
The Dodd was robbed.
May 8, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Since I’m a 49er fan I don’t currently have a dog in this fight, more like a string of jackasses.
I suspect it would be very helpful to San Francisco’s lads if the signals of their opponent were known beforehand, although they’d still have a struggle turning that information into a sure victory with the middling pack of performers on their squad these days. It would help, though.
Suppose the opposing squad’s signals were reported to them prior to their game through some back channel by another club that’s recently played the same team.
That other club might well have its own good reason for seeing the 49er’s opponent lose to the 49ers! and be motivated to grease the skids by passing along the video record they’ve made of their own game with that team, featuring all the coach’s hand signals and such.
Even the relatively lethargic 49ers staff goes through the motions of collecting lots of “film” on upcoming opponents, and even they might notice an extra spool labelled ⇒coach’s hand signals⇐, and pass the word along to the 49ers coaches and players, for whatever good it might do.
No, I don’t think this has happened. But I bet thinking about this sort of thing happening is what led to the NFL’s prohibition; not the immediate efficacy of the recording, but the possibility of its eventual, and one might rightly say insidious, use, eh?
May 8, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Not taking the bait.
And, oh yeah- CHEATERS.
May 8, 2008 at 9:14 pm
18-1. God does not like cheaters. :)
May 8, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Imagine being able to record for subsequent study, as opposed to view in real time at the stadium (I don’t remember the last time a network football game broadcast the guy giving singles for any memorable or significant amount of time), for two teams you are going to play twice a season, plus two other teams that could possibly be playoff opponents. Please don’t play like you’re that dumb. Even if you are that dumb, though I doubt it, you know damn well Belichick ain’t.
May 8, 2008 at 9:57 pm
THE FINS WUZ ROBBED!!! THREE AND THIRTEEN, BABY!!!!
Yeah, they recorded the signals for study afterwards. I tried to trick you into thinking it was part of a Laurie Anderson video-performance-art piece, but you clevered it out. As teams have been taping these signals for decades, one would suspect they would change them – which, in fact, is exactly what they do. They are probably useful for understanding defensive tendencies, how/when they make adjustments, etc. The sort of thing you might want to have a library of going back 10 years – which, in fact, is exactly what they had. Not very useful for “stealing” playcalls, unless these teams – many of which are coached by former Belichick assistants, who may have noticed one or two things about pre-game preparation – are utterly retarded.
So you might have a point about the Dolphins.
May 8, 2008 at 9:59 pm
52-7. Jason Campbell must be the Antichrist.
May 8, 2008 at 10:00 pm
It’s yu-mmy!!
May 8, 2008 at 10:20 pm
It’s encouraging to note that while our armed forces are busy attacking a Baghdad suburb of 2.5 million people with fire and steel, we at home can still concentrate on the less mundane things in life.
But I wonder if they’re video-taping the refugees at the soccer stadiums that will receive some of the survivors. Isn’t that cheating?
May 9, 2008 at 12:15 am
EDS- here’s what you forgot, you weren’t naked, you had a little cut off half jersey with an XFL style name “CRUSTY BUMSiCLE” on it. Sadly, your micropenis was still visible, or well, not visible, as it were.
May 9, 2008 at 4:07 am
Are we talking about the team with the 3-3 Super Bowl record that recently got knocked the fuck out in the last Super Bowl? Marvelous game, that. Spy harder.
May 9, 2008 at 4:08 am
How will the Celtics gag on their expectation?
May 9, 2008 at 4:11 am
John Cole, sadly, cannot bask in the glow of such triumphs, as the Steelers will be returning to Friendly Foxborough, MA for their regularly-scheduled beating. (Beatings which have become so regular that one begins to suspect that the Steelers actually enjoy them)
I’m sure this insult is going to make Steelers are going to go home and cry over their more-recent-than-anything-the-Patriots-have Super Bowl rings. The Patriots are currently dominating in pretty much the same way as the Yankees circa 2001-2004.
May 9, 2008 at 6:14 am
All that diatribe to justify cheating. C’mon dude, take it like a man!
May 9, 2008 at 7:06 am
I still remember the first go round of “PatsGate” and watching one of those interminable Sunday morning football gabfests. Some sports-zombie-blow-dry was intoning in the most sonorous tones about the dire threat to the very integrity of not just the game but the very soul of the nation itself when said sports-zombie-blow-dry made the mistake of assuming his co-panelist Iron Mike Ditka (Da Bears!) would not only agree but would demand the death penalty for Belichek, his kids, neighbors, friends, and pets.
Instead, Iron Mike – while fighting mightily to hold back maniacal laughter – said “oh for Christ’s sake, everybody does this. There isn’t a coach in the league who doesn’t steal signals. If you don’t you’re an idiot.”
And no kids, I am not saying A. everybody does it or B. it’s ok to cheat. What I am saying is A. take a Ritalin B. feign shock and indignation somewhere else and C. grow the fuck up – Santa Claus didn’t bring those presents, in real life women don’t like it when you shoot your snake snot all over their faces regardless of what your porn tape collection indicates, and in the NFL some of the rules are more….shall we say….elastic….then others so please – in the name of all that’s sacred – get over it.
Always did love Ditka (Da Bears!)
May 9, 2008 at 7:12 am
The Eds:
time. Which, in our universe, moves forward
R€nato:
FOOTBALL! Ginormous men slamming each other into the ground for 60 minutes!
See, while the Editors is right that time flies like an arrow, there obviously is some bizarre quantum-space-time disturbance phenomenon affecting the American “football” “gridiron”. The match lasts 60 minutes, true; but it takes far more than one hour for those minutes to pass.
Which moves me to help the Editors complete his sentence: “…when foreigners would ask me to explain football, I would say “well, you know rugby? It’s like that, except … that it sucks”.
No no, don’t mention, just glad to be of help.
May 9, 2008 at 8:00 am
As a long-time reader, I wish the Patriots would cheat more often just so that we’d better and more frequent content updates.
May 9, 2008 at 8:04 am
Imagine how this post would have read if the Patriots had won the Super Bowl.
May 9, 2008 at 8:08 am
Also, I believe the argument in the post conclusively proves that football teams do not videotape what goes on the field during the game and use that tape to make in-game adjustments. The thing is, though time moves forward, some parts of a football game take place after other parts of a football game.
May 9, 2008 at 8:34 am
Cheat all you want. Pats still lost to the Giants.
2007 SUPER BOWL CHAMPION NY GIANTS IN THE HOUSE.
May 9, 2008 at 8:34 am
Sure. It’s would not be theoretically impossible for team to take a video during the first half and, instead of what teams usually do during halftime, sync up field video with hand signal video, play it back at 10X speed, somehow decode all the defensive adjustment signals, and possibly receive some tactical benefit from that – sounds unlikely, but what do I know. Or, they could threaten to spend halftime whipping the videotapes at the heads of the kidnapped children of the other team if they don’t throw the game. Also not forbidden by the laws of time and space. But the existence of 7-year old videotapes isn’t very strong evidence of these things.
May 9, 2008 at 8:38 am
In American football, the occasional play occurs in which no one knows what just happened. But in rugby, no one knows what just happened on every play. In rugby the guy gets tackled, the ball disappears for a period of time, then reappears from underneath some guy’s ass, then some other guy runs a short distance, then the ball disappears and it happens again. Don’t mistake me, I prefer rugby to football any day. But your efforts to educate foreigners about football by comparing it to rugby were doomed to failure.
May 9, 2008 at 10:50 am
Shorter the Editors:
“The Patriots suck at cheating.”
May 9, 2008 at 10:53 am
Sure. It’s would not be theoretically impossible for team to take a video during the first half and, instead of what teams usually do during halftime, sync up field video with hand signal video, play it back at 10X speed, somehow decode all the defensive adjustment signals, and possibly receive some tactical benefit from that – sounds unlikely, but what do I know.
Well, if I was running a conspiracy theory here, I’d say that they don’t all have to do that instead of what they do at halftime — just the secretive video analyst who nobody knows what he actually does.
OTOH, unless Ernie Adams shoved Troy Edwards out of bounds on that first punt, I can’t get with John Cole on this issue. My real argument is this. (The Cowboys one is a lot funnier, if only because the Cowboys are far more evil.)
May 9, 2008 at 10:58 am
I’m trying to imagine how funny I would find this if I gave a shit about football…
May 9, 2008 at 11:02 am
Going to go out on the limb and guess that the logic behind the ruling is that a home team would have an inherent advantage to take said video and translate it, in real-ish time (whatever that means; all this jibber-jabber about time/space has me eyeing the clock suspiciously…).
That said, Pats are cheaters. (Don’t really care about the issue, just like hatin’ on the Pats. Adding Moss undid all my Brady-respect, the last thread by which I hung over the yawning chasm of Patriot-derangement syndrome.)
Prediction: My Bears will be the first team to win the Super Bowl that:
1)Has a losing record
2)Fails to make the playoffs, much less the Bowl
I’ve had a feeling, but all this time/space theorizing has made me see it can be done!”
Chi-Bears, ’08- “Winning through Losing!”
May 9, 2008 at 11:12 am
sports: a crutch for people who are conversationally impaired.
… that is all.
May 9, 2008 at 12:00 pm
“elfranko Says:
May 9, 2008 at 11:12 am
sports: a crutch for people who are conversationally impaired.
… that is all.”
If there were no sports, how would anti-sports snobs be able to flaunt their superiority?
The only thing less important than sports are comments extolling the unimportance of sports. But of course, you already knew that. I mean, how couldn’t you?
May 9, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Anti-anti-sports snobbery snobbery is pretty snobby and petty, too. I’m way above that.
OOOOOHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
May 9, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Edward t.m.s.g. @26,
In rugby the guy gets tackled, the ball disappears for a period of time, then reappears from underneath some guy’s ass, then some other guy runs a short distance, then the ball disappears and it happens again
Yeah, and then there’s the good 20 minutes out of every 80 that the fullbacks spend punting the ball to each other’s end of the pitch. But then again there’s this. In particular, scope that bit near the end from the 1995 world cup and be thankful that you are not Mike Catt at 2’34″.
May 9, 2008 at 12:28 pm
52-7
And all 7 of those pathetic woeful points legitimately earned.
May 9, 2008 at 12:59 pm
I assume that there is a lot of overlap between Red Sox and Patriots fans, perhaps nearly 100%. After years of having to listen to them whine about the big mean Yankees, now it’s, “stop whining about the Pats!” Oy. Fuck the Red Sox, fuck the Yankees, and fuck the Patriots. Oh, and the Redskins, too. And the Cowboys.
Isn’t sports fun?
May 9, 2008 at 1:36 pm
I saw the Giants beat that other team while in New Orleans. Oh that was a good night. And yes, I thought of The Poor Man and Sifu Tweety at some point, albeit briefly, because my heart was filled with universal good cheer and 0.07% blood alcohol.
Of course, now my heart has shriveled back into the blackened peach pit that is its usual state, so I can be all Nelson Muntz here.
May 9, 2008 at 1:46 pm
“3. Now, put the camera back on the fat coach, and then move your eye away. Notice that you can’t see what he is doing anymore. But, thanks to the camera, you will be able to review what he is doing later. Not now. Later. In time. Which, in our universe, moves forward.”
Huh?
Just kidding. That was hilarious. I love you.
By the way, this is evidence that I do read your blog.
May 9, 2008 at 1:47 pm
If this bickering doesn’t stop right now, everyone will receive a Roger Maris style asterisk.
May 9, 2008 at 1:54 pm
If y’all aren’t already supremely bored/annoyed with this topic, let me regale you at great, great length about how the Phoenix Suns were cheated out of an easy path to the NBA championship last season by Tim Donaghy, David Stern, Robert Horry, Bruce Bowen, and a legion of referees on a whistle diet…
May 9, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Obviously the Editors think that Belichick is an idiot, for doing something against the rules that couldn’t possibly help him.
I also think he is an idiot, but not at football.
I suspect that he at least thought it could help the team, that’s why he did it. And, contra T. Eds, I don’t think it would be that hard to connect one set of hand signals with some defensive sets. Any clue for any formation would be useful.
May 9, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Time flies like an arrow?
Fruit flies like a banana.
May 9, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Baseball considers sign stealing an art form. I really don’t understand the outrage over this.
May 9, 2008 at 10:57 pm
“Baseball considers sign stealing an art form. I really don’t understand the outrage over this.”
Seriously… I mean Michael Moore is fat, so what the fuck?
May 10, 2008 at 1:16 am
Yet more evidence that football is nothing but rugby for sissies.
May 10, 2008 at 5:10 am
John Yoo: “Bush is so awesome he can do whatever he wants even if tis illegal!”
The Editors “The Patriots are so awesome they can do whatever they want even if they break the rules!”
May 10, 2008 at 8:00 am
Shorter The Editors:
“That the Patriots may or may not have cheated in some way that no sane person could ever possibly care about is entirely offset by the fact that the Patriots beat your pussy ass team until it begged for death, death, sweet restful DEATH, bitchez, WAAAOOOOWWWWW! I feel good! I knew that I would now! Gibber gibber gibber excrement reference excrement reference now shut the fuck up about Spygate and start licking my nuts again! Yabba dabba doo!”
I apologize. That was just barely shorter. But I believe I caught the zeitgeist, as it were.
May 10, 2008 at 1:43 pm
The whole thing is about illegal taping of an NFL Production. If the Patriots gave the NFL their cut of the taping rights, then there would be no problem.
However, the point of recording what you can see is that later on, the tapes can be studied again and again by people who are probably more experienced than the team mascot who’s doing the spying. Given that people might kill for a playbook, such paranoia is only expected.
Still, as said, give it a rest already.
May 10, 2008 at 3:55 pm
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May 10, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Who cares if they “cheated” they lost the Super Bowl and blew their perfect season …
Loved it.
May 12, 2008 at 10:00 am
Mrs Tilton, that was a cool video.
May 12, 2008 at 10:24 am
18-1!
May 13, 2008 at 11:50 am
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May 13, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Hey,
can you help us find something out?
Has Tom gotten those grass stains out of the back of his uniform yet?
We Care,
Osi, Mike, Jay and Tuck
May 14, 2008 at 10:59 pm
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