After winning the backing of an influential Texas televangelist, presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain today abruptly rejected the pastor’s endorsement after more of his controversial remarks became public — including a sermon in which he says the Nazis “operated on God’s behalf” to drive Jews from Europe to Israel.
McCain had distanced himself from the Rev. John Hagee’s anti-Catholic remarks describing the church as a “great whore,” a statement for which Hagee apologized earlier this month. But the Arizona senator, who wanted Hagee’s support to shore up his uncertain standing among evangelical conservatives, had not repudiated the endorsement until today.
“Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them,” McCain said in a statement today. “I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well.”
But you know who else was “repudiated”, “rebuked” and “rejected”? Rev. Wright Jesus.
McCain’s strongly-worded rebuff, however, could hurt him among some evangelical voters, whose support he needs in November, said John C. Green, a senior fellow at the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.
On accounta becuz:
Hagee is the President and CEO of John Hagee Ministries, which telecasts his national radio and television ministry carried in the United States on 160 TV stations, 50 radio stations and eight networks, including The Inspiration Network (INSP) and Trinity Broadcasting Network. The ministries can be seen and heard weekly in 99 million homes.
Which highlights two problems for John here: Rev. Hagee, unlike Rev. Wright, is someone who actually has a national following, and is someone whose personal endorsement might carry some actual weight outside his T-Mobile Fave 5 list. (I’ve never heard of the guy, but I don’t travel in the right circles.) The bigger problem is that none of Rev. Hagee’s theology seems particularly out-of-the-mainstream as far as the coveted “white evangelical” Republican vote is concerned. Again, not my area of expertise, but I’ve seen the 700 Club, I’m aware of the “Left Behind” story (full disclosure: I own and treasure the Kirk Cameron movie adaptations), and I’ve lived through their various public triumphs over the past decade, so I think I could spot a gross divergence from the usual script. Most protestants don’t like the Catholic church – my own private survey of Catholics leads me to believe they have plenty of company – and there’s little any protestant could say which Martin Luther hadn’t said already. Protestants deliberately aren’t Catholics. Pop eschatology generally demands that Jews live in Israel, and that God’s hand steers events to this End, so Rev. Hagee’s comments about the Nazis here don’t seem controversial. Even those who aren’t that into End Times prophecy presumably accept the idea that God can do any old thing He wants, and that His ways are not ours, so they would have a hard time explaining from their first principle how Rev. Hagee was out-of-line, except perhaps in claiming to understand the ways of the Divinity. And I think this is where McCain has made a big mistake – by abandoning Rev. Hagee for his religious beliefs, consistency requires that he do the same for the rest of Crazy Base World, a group which he needs to court as it may constitute a majority of the Republican electorate. You campaign with the party loyalists you have, dude, not the party loyalists you wish you had. I doubt Karl Rove approved this move.
May 22, 2008 at 9:09 pm
I’m aware of the “Left Behind” story (full disclosure: I own and treasure the Kirk Cameron movie adaptations)
DUDE. Parkway Speakeasy. Midnight showings.
Somewhere along the way I got the contact info for the guy who books these. If you’re down, and we can round up a little posse, we might be able to make this happen.
May 22, 2008 at 10:03 pm
one of the only projects i have ever rejected out of hand was a chance to get involved in the second and third of those crazy movies.
it did inspire my wife to create a series of hate art directed at these fuckwits though, entitled “End Times” before it was cool.
and now rev. paisley or parsley or chervil or what have you has been tossed overboard.
since these are the same assholes who not only voted for bush but gave him the election in ohio in 2004 and yet in return got not one piece of legislation tossed their way, i assume they are asshatted enough to vote for mccain despite all of this. but i implore any premillenial dispensationalist out there right now–don’t vote this time. just stay home and play with your rosary, or have sex while feeling bad about yourself or whatever it is you do on a typical tuesday. just. stay. home. mccain hates you, he really does, he always has.
May 22, 2008 at 10:58 pm
(If the midnight showings at the parkway happen? I am so down. The bogus-looking email address I post with is functional. FYI.)
I do have to wonder about McCain’s calculation here. If he’d gotten the nomination in 2000, this would have been a brilliant move: his own personal little “Sister Souljah Moment”, and a great way to shore up his credentials as an “independent.” And who knows: maybe his campaign has polling numbers that suggests that this plays well with enough people to make it worth the risk: it wasn’t like the 700 Club crowd was particularly enamored of him in the first place. Doesn’t seem that likely to work that well in 2008, but my track record at correctly predicting these things is notably poor even by “random asshole on the internet” standards.
What I do fervently hope is that this little dustup might make AIPAC a little bit less likely to accept Hagee’s money and support: not that I think Howard Friedman has any residual sense of shame, but Hagee’s comments are going to be a smidge hard to explain to AIPAC’s core donor base of 65-year-old bubbes…
May 23, 2008 at 12:55 am
The ministries can be seen and heard weekly in 99 million homes.
Isn’t that almost all the homes?
May 23, 2008 at 1:53 am
there’s little any protestant could say which Martin Luther hadn’t said already.
Bad news for Obama. Martin Luther King was (re)named for Martin Luther and since King was black, now Obama has to repudiate both MLK and Martin Luther. Bummer.
May 23, 2008 at 4:16 am
Ironically, in neoconservative circles, Hagee is considered to be judaism’s best friend, despite the fact that he’s actively trying to breed a pure red calf to sacrifice and trigger the end times (which, I believe, he doesn’t expect to work out too well for the jews). He’s a leading “christian zionist” and one of those evangelicals jews were supposed to be nicer to, according to Abramoff/Medved/Lapin.
That said, the man wrote an entire book about how much God wanted George W Bush to be president and nobody gave a shit.
May 23, 2008 at 4:40 am
he’s actively trying to breed a pure red calf to sacrifice and trigger the end times
… sorry, what? I mean, I’m sure you’re right, but could you unpack that a bit for those of us less familiar with Teh End Times?
May 23, 2008 at 5:40 am
The ministries can be seen and heard weekly in 99 million homes.
Just because they can be seen and heard doesn’t mean they are. I suspect that this statistic is highly misleading. I’d like to know a better estimate for this guy’s actual viewership.
May 23, 2008 at 6:24 am
“it did inspire my wife to create a series of hate art directed at these fuckwits though, entitled “End Times” before it was cool.”
Is a link available? I want see this hate art of which you speak.
May 23, 2008 at 7:05 am
Which highlights two problems for John here: Rev. Hagee, unlike Rev. Wright, is someone who actually has a national following, and is someone whose personal endorsement might carry some actual weight outside his T-Mobile Fave 5 list. (I’ve never heard of the guy, but I don’t travel in the right circles.) The bigger problem is that none of Rev. Hagee’s theology seems particularly out-of-the-mainstream as far as the coveted “white evangelical” Republican vote is concerned.
Effing brilliant
May 23, 2008 at 7:42 am
Doesn’t Kirk Cameron realize that his marriage is itself a refutation of the existence of God?
May 23, 2008 at 7:52 am
try one of your UHF channels. Hagee and Parsley usually go back to back on most weeknights. Nowhere near as good as Peter Popoff, however.
slight correction on Wright – he is an incredibly well-thought-of speaker on the church and lecture circuit. He is only without a following in White America.
May 23, 2008 at 7:58 am
I’m aware of the “Left Behind” story (full disclosure: I own and treasure the Kirk Cameron movie adaptations)
If I were much more clever than I am, and a better writer than I am, and had more time than I do, I think it would be pretty fun to make an alternate series of Left Behind books.
In this series, God takes the most devout of his flock home, from each of the religions of the book, and we don’t hear from them again. He does leave a couple of his True Believers behind to bear witness to what’s left of the world.
The 9 books (with options on a script, action figures, lunch boxes, chrome mudflap silhouettes, etc) would then chronicle the odyssey of um… Fredd and Ethyl, as they try to survive in this new world.
The problems I’m having with the premise are:
1.) People attempting to solve problems based on evidence and rational discussion just isn’t nearly as exciting as demons and magma flowing down the streets and people “getting theirs”.
2.) The problems people have to solve are actually pretty mundane when you don’t have the random conflict of arbitrary theologies to inflame and obfuscate the matter.
3.) It may very well be beyond most people’s ability to suspend disbelief. I mean, if ya squint real hard, you can kinda see that whole moon-made-of-blood, boiling seas, demons with horns and hooves, all that. But a world in which the common elements of our episteme derive from humanist principles and empirical knowledge? Have another dose of the brown acid, hippie, and give a shout when the shuttle lands!
May 23, 2008 at 8:02 am
The red heifer must be sacrified (per Numbers 19) to purify a priest before he can perform activities in the Third Temple, which must be re-established in Israel before the full End Times extravaganza can get under way.
(Fun Fact: once the Temple is re-established, it will once again become the site of the sacrifice of bulls and lambs. Take that, PETA.)
Var. and sund. nutbars, at home and abroad, are busy trying to breed a red heifer, with partial success. As my eighth grade bio teacher used to say, “Make a good science project…”
May 23, 2008 at 8:16 am
13: Ah, I see. That all makes sense in a D & D kind of way. Would the Third Temple have to be established on the Temple Mount (necessitating the demolition of the Haram al-Sharif mosque) or could they put it somewhere else (Bakersfield comes to mind)?
May 23, 2008 at 8:23 am
Ajay:
Surely you already know the answer to your question. The Third Temple will have to go on the Temple Mount, otherwise No End Times can begin. The mosque will have to go.
I’m sure the Muslims will be very understanding about the whole thing. Maybe we could move the mosque to Bakersfield for them.
May 23, 2008 at 8:40 am
I always thought the “Left Behind” movie would be a great candidate for porn adaptation. Think about it, the “plot” wouldn’t even need to be changed much. I’m thinking “Licked Behind”, starring Kirk Kame-on.
May 23, 2008 at 8:45 am
A relative just got back from a wacky righty Christian tour of Israel, and remarked on a photo of the Dome of the Rock “this is what has to be destroyed so the Temple can be rebuilt and Jesus will come again.” Hagee’s and Parsley’s ideas are the norm with this crowd.
May 23, 2008 at 10:13 am
Thank you, Chiggins, for the least cynical comment on this entire page. Seriously. I’m a hard core fantasy and sci fi fan, but I like my fiction to stay in my entertainment and my real world to stay real. Enough with the dreamy religious crap, can we use our brains to end the misery on this planet and leave the mumbo jumbo for the movies.
Guys like Hagee capitalize on the ignorance and fear of the good working people and the not-so-good selfish people who can’t see the guys casting shadows on the walls, but who can feel the heat of the fires and the chains on their ankles.
Finally, McCain does something in the spirit of his manufactured maverick persona and here we have this nut taking pot shots at him. You’ve never heard of Hagee before? Who cares about your opinion then, you ignoramous.
May 23, 2008 at 10:37 am
This is just like the plot for “Pete’s Dragon.”
May 23, 2008 at 10:40 am
If my porn name wasn’t Fritz Pearl, it’d probably be Rod Parsley.
May 23, 2008 at 11:09 am
The red heifer must be sacrified (per Numbers 19) to purify a priest before he can perform activities in the Third Temple…
Aw dewd! Thaht’s it! “Red Heifer” is totally the name of the bahnd. Full. On.
May 23, 2008 at 11:11 am
This here comment of mine can be read by the approximately half a billion people with internet access.
Man, I used to love me some Paul & Jan Crouch back in college. They may be jerkwater hucksters, but in my mind they’re up there with George Costanza as entertaining TV characters.
May 23, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Mr Smith, 57, first had sex with a car at the age of 15, and claims he has never been attracted to women or men.
But his wandering eye has spread beyond cars to other vehicles. He says that his most intense sexual experience was “making love” to the helicopter from 1980s TV hit Airwolf.
http://theinternetisterrible.com/296/man-admits-having-sex-with-1000-cars/
May 23, 2008 at 1:21 pm
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May 23, 2008 at 4:23 pm
sund. nutbars, at home and abroad, are busy trying to breed a red heifer, with partial success.
I trust that the Bene Gesserit are involved in this project.
If my porn name wasn’t Fritz Pearl, it’d probably be Rod Parsley.
That is entirely credible, coming as it does from someone whose gravatar is a novelty condom.
May 23, 2008 at 6:16 pm
The “crazy bases” article, which makes a confident case for Hillary’s near-inevitability, is really quaint.
May 23, 2008 at 6:38 pm
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May 26, 2008 at 9:09 pm
99 million homes? I suspect this figure includes dog house and ant colonies.
July 2, 2008 at 12:00 am
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