Michael Cohen, still objecting to plans to target 3 Democratic representatives who spearheaded the ridiculous “compromise” FISA bill (now perhaps 30 hours away from becoming law), points out that Democrats are much better than Republicans. Thanks for that, Mike. Meanwhile, Kos has a first cut at a list of Democratic reps who will face well-funded primary challengers in 2010.
Here’s how one approaches a game: you identify A) the Rules of the Game, you determine B) your Desired Outcome, and you devise C) a Strategy to navigate through A to arrive at B. Anybody can learn A, everybody’s got their own preferred B; figuring out an effective C is the tricky bit. When trying to learn Strategy, it makes more sense to listen to people who have played the game successfully than to people who have a record of failure. In chess, for example, you could probably learn more by studying the games of Bobby Fischer than, say, studying me. This is not to say one wants to be exactly like Bobby Fischer; just than one wants to learn those things which made him a winner. In modern American politics, then, one might wish to emulate Grover Norquist:
Norquist and other hard-line conservatives exhibit a surprising lack of tolerance for moderate Republicans, almost as if they’re worse than Democrats. Why is that?
[...] Conservative activists, Norquist included, criticize moderate Republicans, such as John McCain and Lindsay Graham, because they think the moderates are holding back the conservative agenda. The battle in the Senate over the historic filibuster provided a classic example of that. When McCain and Graham reached an agreement with a group of Democrats to retain the filibuster, the media hailed them as statesmen. But the conservatives were furious. I went to meetings with Norquist where people were shouting and screaming about “betrayal.”
And it’s not just shoutings – it’s money, it’s ad campaigns, and it’s very effective. Because Norquist understands that an effective movement needs more than a bunch of people – it also requires discipline. As David Sirota said:
I am in no way venerating Norquist’s ideology, nor his penchant for going way to far in terms of sidling up to some very shady characters. But tactically, he is clearly onto something. He fundamentally understands that division makes not an effective fighting formula. And he understands that the movement politics that comes from pressuring turncoats is far more powerful than partisan politics. Create an movement based on principles and ideology, and you have created something much sturdier than loyalty to a party label – and besides, a real movement will benefit the party anyway.
GOP leaders inherently understand this. Unlike many “big tent” Democrats, they value Norquist’s work in pressuring the capitulators within their ranks. They understand that Norquist’s pressure on their turncoats helps the GOP keep their turncoats in line.
Instead of whining and crying with cries of “let’s just all get along” for “get along’s” sake, Democrats should take some tactical lessons from their enemies who have so thoroughly drubbed them and place some value in a progressive infrastructure that demands accountability within the Democratic Party. Norquist proves that such an infrastructure – not permissive capitulation as the Democratic Party allows now – is integral to helping parties achieve majority status.
Now, Grover Norquist is a horrible, crazy douchebag. But the SEIU knows this strategy works. If you are going to line up behind a politician, you have to demand accountability. The SEIU has their list; civil liberties/anti-immunity advocates can have theirs. These lists won’t match up, and in some cases – Rep. John Barrow, for example – different constituencies within a party will be at cross purposes. That’s party politics. Constituencies within the party, if they want their voices heard and respected, have speak clearly, and have their words carry weight. You have to pick your fights carefully, and with a cold calculation of how it will advance your cause. But you do have to fight.
June 25, 2008 at 8:06 pm
I disagree. Grover Norquist is not a horrible, crazy douchebag. He is a horrible psychopath and dishonest asshole.
June 25, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Caligula would have blushed
June 25, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Well said.
It’s a conundrum. The party that takes the most pride in their ideals, the GOP, is also the one whose ideals are utter shit. On the other hand, the Democrats have the most democratic ideals, but abandon them as soon as something comes up (like ice cream, or wanting to look good to pundits).
June 25, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Well said.
It’s a conundrum. The party that takes the most pride in their ideals, the GOP, is also the one whose ideals are utter shit. On the other hand, the Democrats have the most democratic ideals, but abandon them as soon as something comes up (like ice cream, or wanting to look good to pundits).
(You can delete the other one)
June 26, 2008 at 1:47 am
I was mulling exactly this earlier today. I know too many folks who consider themselves liberals who keep talking about the Democratic Party in the third person, e.g. “I’m not impressed with the Democrats, they really need to show me something.”
As if the Democratic Party owes the uninvolved a god damn thing. As if being above party politics is going to do a fucking thing to change the party’s direction. As if not being active in Democratic politics for 3 1/2 years, and then threatening to vote Green (or Purple or Cyan), is a viable strategy to make the centrists take really take notice.
(The most recent of these conversations is still fresh enough to make me, as Ed Anger used to say, Pig-Biting Mad.)
And in the course of mullin’, I thought, “ya know, Norquist’s an evil prick for sure, but the guy saw things about his party that he didn’t like, took the reins, and made it his party. He put fuckers on notice.” I mean christ, talk about gettin’ after it.
I respect Norquist’s commitment and dedication to fix what he saw as the broken parts of his party, and his effectiveness at doing so. I also respect George Carlin’s extreme position at the other pole that the whole thing’s fucked and broken, that the people who own the country have things pretty well locked down, that participating in it is pointless, and that it’s going to take a much larger strategic shift to change anything important. (Don’t necessarily agree, but respect.)
But this noodling, middle-of-the-road, above the fray bullshit just gravels my ass.
June 26, 2008 at 3:02 am
I just spanked Cohen every way I know how. What a fucking moron.
June 26, 2008 at 3:14 am
and not to kiss the Ed’s ass, but this is a pretty damn good find (the Norshit stuff). Where’s the tip jar? You and Billmon could run the world!
June 26, 2008 at 7:09 am
False conundrum.
I love you madly, The, but na ga happen.
The reason the Dems don’t stand up for the ideals of the party is that the grownups in charge don’t share those ideals. That may be true on the GOP side as well, but the big difference between us and them is that our true believers aren’t trying to institutionalize self-interest. Their hard-cores are happy to let the Grovers and Abramoffs get rich screwing hoi polloi; the blue goo-goos would run the McAuliffes and Shrums out of town on a rail. So of course they steer the party toward the low-information, low interest middle — that way they get to keep their mouths on the teet.
And as we have just seen, it doesn’t matter if OBummer is one of them, or merely willing to sell his principles to purchase their support, because there really isn’t a difference, is there?
June 26, 2008 at 7:24 am
The reason the Dems don’t stand up for the ideals of the party is that the grownups in charge don’t share those ideals.
And here I thought the whole point of this post was to talk about using the threat of primary challenges to make elected Dems work for our goals *even if they don’t share them.* Isn’t that kind of what elections are for?
the blue goo-goos would run the McAuliffes and Shrums out of town on a rail. So of course they steer the party toward the low-information, low interest middle — that way they get to keep their mouths on the teet.
Well yes, we would like to run them out of town on a rail. Or failing that, counterbalance their influence on some questions that are important to us. You seem to think that’s impossible. So then, ehre’s a hint for you: starting from the premise that you can’t accomplish anything is not, in fact, a good way to accomplish anything.
And as we have just seen, it doesn’t matter if OBummer is one of them, or merely willing to sell his principles to purchase their support, because there really isn’t a difference, is there?
OBummer. Gosh, that’s very clever. So he’s crypto-Irish, is that what Larry Johnson’s saying now?
But again, the whole point of this post is that we don’t have to rely solely on politicans’ principles. We can actually *make* them do what we want. Of couse it isn’t easy — that’s where the whole “strategy” thing comes in.
But I guess there’s something comforting about just curling up in the fetal position and repeating “nothing I do will make any difference,” right?
June 26, 2008 at 7:36 am
Grover does get a lot of bang for the 34% of Americans he represents, but in the long term they failed because their anti-intellectual agenda leads to the appointment of incompetent government executives, ridiculous judges, and bad legislators. So they never achieve the codification of practices because they found some or any elegant solution(s) or any thing other then the alteration of how society perceives reality for a short term.
June 26, 2008 at 7:39 am
I’m voting for him anyway. I’ve been calling and emailing my Senators and Representative. I’ve been contributing to the ActBlue FISA fund. I’ve been participating, dammit.
I want these things to work. I’m just pointing out why they haven’t so far, and are unlikely to have the desired effect, at least in the near term.
Who is our Grover? Our Abramoff? Our Hammer? We can’t *make* them do anything; we can’t even affect their calculus until we can alter their perceptions of their self-interest by making dissing us more painful than listening. The ActBlue FISA fund was a smart (though futile) experiment along those lines — how much did YOU contribute, lemuel?
June 26, 2008 at 7:45 am
The ActBlue FISA fund was a smart (though futile) experiment along those lines — how much did YOU contribute, lemuel?
FISA’s not my bag. Nothing against it, but I’m more of a labor-liberal kind of guy — raise the minimum wage, restore the right to join unions, a path to citizenship for immigrants, health care for all, that kind of thing. To which I do give money and time (altho you’re right, I should give more. So should we all.)
The point is just that preemptive surrender is a particularly bad strategy. Maybe we can take the Dems back from the “grownups,” maybe we can’t. But we definitely can’t unless we try.
June 26, 2008 at 9:32 am
I respect you right to dissent … and your decision to dissent responsibly!
June 26, 2008 at 9:43 am
Re: Norquist, et al.
We need to make a clear distinction between primary politics and gen. election politics. The far right was able to take control of the GOP and win elections because, in terms of primary politics, they were ruthless (and in terms of party discipline ruthless as well — so the party had a focused message for general elections). OTOH, many of the most focused partisan GOoPers, when it comes to general elections will hold their noses and vote GOP, if only to have GOoPers in the courts … you don’t see the GOP version of Naderites actually defecting in the generals, even if there is always the threat.
Of course, no lefty will be able to pull of a Norquist or Club for Growth. The so-called liberal media will make sure that all those “shrill” people will be used to make the whole Dem. party look bad. Remember all the fuss about Dem. 527s? You had media types all over “527s yanking the Dems. to the left” and nobody ever mentioned Club for Growth.
June 26, 2008 at 9:53 am
The Right has an answer for that, too. Where did the phrase “liberal media” come from?
June 26, 2008 at 11:41 am
But this noodling, middle-of-the-road, above the fray bullshit just gravels my ass.
Here here! This is why I particularly distain the Naderites — they felt politics was about speeches in hockey arenas and glomming onto the Greens, who at least have worked for decades to get a small toehold in various places. For a guy who once organized on grassroots level, Nader too was incredibly half-assed about it when he decided to torpedo the Gore campaign.
And that goes for a bulk of the goo-goos in the Democratic party too — who palpably fear old fashioned retail politics (of which I really think the Internet is part), while decrying money in politics without noticing that grassroots fundraising is a good, empowering thing.
June 26, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Best car sticker seen lately:
At least the war on the middle-class is going well…
June 26, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Oh, and that is some amazing software you got there, The. I have never posted a photo of myself online, yet your comment app somehow knows that I am really a pink Christmas tree with antennae.
Spooky.
June 27, 2008 at 10:12 am
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June 27, 2008 at 7:37 pm
An excellent observation.
The GOP has a firing-squad too, but theirs is focused on the most recently exposed Official Infidel, rather than forming a circular pattern. Worth copying what works.
July 2, 2008 at 12:04 am
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