Matt Yglesias suggests that past military service hasn’t seemed to help the prospects of Congressional candidates when compared to non-veteran hopefuls, and a perusal of recent presidential elections doesn’t belie the inference that past service is no big boost. Nevertheless, Ralp Peters gnashes his teeth at the American people’s failure to recognize how important it is to have a veteran in the White House, especially when it comes to saying stuff in campaigns.
[T]he fact is that, security-wise, we’re paying a price for decades of electing presidents with no military experience and no previous interest in things military. Democrat or Republican, they make unrealistic promises that play into our enemies’ hands. They don’t know what they’re talking about – but they sure do talk.
And that’s how we have to view Obama’s repeated insistence that he’ll be the one to “kill or capture Osama bin Laden.”
Osama may be found and killed tomorrow or on the day after the inauguration – or never. But if we do nail him, it won’t be because of presidential posturing.
Ah, poor naive inveterate and unveteran Obama. He should have done like his opponent, infinitely decorated war hero John McCain, whose warrior experience and uniform-inured hide gave him the fortitude to abstain from claiming that he would capture or kill Osama, or follow him to the Gates of Hell should the task require it (which really isn’t such a big deal as said Gates reside somewhere in New Jersey).
Bush has done all he could to finish off the al Qaeda leader (for Bush, it was personal; for Obama, it’s just political). There’s no new magic formula waiting to be applied: This effort is still about skill, persistence and luck.
Exactly! And despite this, Obama’s naivete and lack of boot camp led him to claim, repeatedly, that he had a super secret but totally fail-safe plan to get bin Laden!
A fateful error amateurs make about intelligence is to assume that any problem can be solved if we hurl more resources at it. But top-of-the-game intelligence work is about quality, not quantity. It doesn’t help to have a dozen seasonal-hire carpenters all whacking at the same nail – better to have one skilled carpenter on the job.
Which is why professionals like Ralph Peters support a massive warrantless surveillance program that culls a deluge of mostly useless information too cumbersome to parse with any level of care.
We’d all love to see Osama lying dead in the dust. But, please, Mr. President-elect: Don’t make claims that, if unfulfilled, allow our enemies to declare victory.
That’s doubly applicable as regards Obama’s promise to “stamp out al Qaeda once and for all.” He might as well claim he’ll eliminate crime or drug abuse.
The Middle East is so utterly broken it’s going to continue producing fanatics for decades. Our desired end state should recall our bygone campaigns against the Mafia: Reduce the power and reach of the enemy, pushing him to the margins where, instead of posing a strategic threat, he’s just a nuisance.
That’s the best that we can hope to achieve.
The same applies to the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Both the Taliban and al Qaeda have deep, if narrow, constituencies. This is a very long-term struggle, transcending any single administration. Winning doesn’t mean achieving a terror-free world – an impossible goal – but minimizing, localizing and demythologizing the damage terrorists do.
Al-Qaeda is akin to crime and drug abuse? Our desired end-state should recall our campaigns against the Mafia? Reduce terrorism to a mere “nuisance”? Why…that sounds an awful lot like treating terrorism as a law enforcement issue ala John Kerry (and the RAND Corporation) doesn’t it? Kerry even used the word “nuisance” to describe his hoped for end-game. Maybe Ralph Peters of Today should take some advice from Ralph Peters of Five Months Ago:
[Obama] also claimed that fighting terrorism is a law-enforcement problem, not a military one (should we send the NYPD to Mosul and Kandahar?), and that the answer to terrorism is the approach taken after the 1993 World Trade Center attack, featuring conventional trials and prison terms.
That flaccid post-’93 response only encouraged terrorists – who are unfazed by the prospect of a US prison, where the quality of life’s better than it was at home.
Amatuer.
Bonus Petersonian Fucktardity – What the hell was this supposed to mean?:
…for Bush, [capturing or killing bin Laden] was personal; for Obama, it’s just political…
Just political? No other, you know, ancillary benefit other than the boost to his political prospects? This bit of partisan malignancy comes just a few paragraphs after Peters puts on a show of non-partisan, country firstism:
Let’s be clear: No matter whom we supported up until Nov. 4, the American people have spoken. Obama will be our next president. To wish him ill is to wish harm to America for partisan purposes. Let’s hope he delivers great accomplishments.
Yeah, wouldn’t want to do that would we.
November 18, 2008 at 2:22 pm
…John McCain, whose warrior experience and uniform-inured hide gave him the fortitude to abstain from claiming that he would capture or kill Obama, or follow him to the Gates of Hell should the task require it
I’m pretty sure McCain said he would try to capture/kill Osama, not Obama. Unless those rallies got even worse after I stopped paying attention.
November 18, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Hey – remember the NSA whistleblowers from a month or so ago – the ones who said they were listening to Americans abroad – all their personal conversations and all?
What if, now hear me out, it sounds crazy, but, what if we listened in on people speaking something other than English?
I know it’s crazy, I know. But it probably hasn’t been tried yet.
November 18, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Whom iszh diszh Ralph Peter-perszhon and fvy duszh he look like heeszh got derr poszht up his mangina?
Put your glands in the air! This is a stick up!
November 18, 2008 at 3:17 pm
“I know it’s crazy, I know. But it probably hasn’t been tried yet.”
Canadian is not so easy to learn as people might think.
November 18, 2008 at 3:32 pm
I’m pretty sure McCain said he would try to capture/kill Osama, not Obama
Aw fuck. I just fox newsed myself.
November 18, 2008 at 3:48 pm
That rather confused me as well, as I was having trouble seeing how we ought to distinguish Obama’s motives as being qualitatively different than Bush’s in this regard.
Then I remembered that bin Laden more or less humiliated Bush, and it all made sense.
November 18, 2008 at 5:20 pm
I was gravely disappointed to find out that Peters’s first name wasn’t really Ralp.
November 18, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Capture/kill is now a word.
November 18, 2008 at 5:41 pm
I love the deliberate substitution of Osama for “bin Laden” now. It would be like saying we needed to hunt down “Timothy” after the Oklahoma city bombing. Do you think it has anything to do with… nah.
November 18, 2008 at 5:45 pm
So in summation; we don’t want to do this? Me confused… I know the first person I turn to when I want someone ‘disappeared’ is a community organizer… Makes sense to me! Yay! We WIN!
November 18, 2008 at 6:17 pm
I was gravely disappointed to find out that Peters’s first name wasn’t really Ralp.
Lexicofascist.
November 18, 2008 at 10:09 pm
When Bush makes numerous promises to hunt down and capture bin Laden ‘dead or alive’… and just six months after 9/11 gives up on the whole matter… he’s a hero.
If / when Obama captures bin Laden, it’s a cheap political stunt.
He’ll probably be accused of trying to distract from the truly important matter of his birth certificate.
November 18, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Ah, the poor General! Looking back with fondness for Jimmy Carter now?
November 19, 2008 at 3:52 am
follow him to the Gates of Hell should the task require it (which really isn’t such a big deal as said Gates reside somewhere in New Jersey
RICK: Well, there are some parts of New York, Major, that I wouldn’t recommend you try to invade.
November 19, 2008 at 6:11 am
Bush has done all he could to finish off the al Qaeda leader
Like invading Iraq, for example.
November 19, 2008 at 6:49 am
Such cognitive dissonance is breathtaking in it’s audacity. If I said such contradictory things, I hope someone would capture/kill me.
November 19, 2008 at 8:39 am
If I said such contradictory things, I hope someone would capture/kill me.
We’ll see if you change your mind on that one.
November 19, 2008 at 8:59 am
There is no ‘cognition’ to become dissonant. It’s all a bunch of cheerleading. You normally don’t get worked up when the girls shout out: “Let’s get another one just like the other one!”, or “hey hey, ho ho, we’re ’bout to get some mo’”, or “shit, goddamn, get off your butts and jam!”; nor do imagine they might be referring to something else, like perhaps screwing. Or do you?
November 19, 2008 at 9:32 am
Underwater image: the tide changes. For a period, the pliable forms swing back and forth in the turbulence but, until the tide’s new direction is fully established, their vacillations still revert to the bias formed by the preceding tide.
November 19, 2008 at 11:29 am
KL – WIN
November 19, 2008 at 12:38 pm
OT, Sen. toobz [AK] officially just went down.
November 19, 2008 at 8:56 pm
While we’re still off-topic… lolwut?!?!?
November 20, 2008 at 6:18 am
Another Perspective
November 20, 2008 at 8:04 pm
The Gates of Hell are in Clifton, NJ, to be exact.
November 21, 2008 at 1:14 am
Rashidi is http://thereal2kinsider.blogspot.com/
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November 21, 2008 at 6:54 am
secondharmonic wondered:
You normally don’t get worked up when the girls shout out (…) Or do you?
Actually, I get stuck on that “2,4,6,8″ cheer. “Who is it that they appreciate?” I wonder. And for some reason, the other fans sitting near me don’t seem to “appreciate” when I shout out possible answers to their question, either.
November 28, 2008 at 11:38 am
Hmmm…
Presidents in the military…
Bush II- Deserter from the ANG in a time of war.
Clinton- None.
Bush I- WWII pilot.
Reagan- Acted in war movies & later thought he was there.
Carter- Commander of a nuclear sub.
Ford- Navy pilot in WWII.
Nixon- Naval transportation officer during WWII.
LBJ- Naval survey officer during WWII.
JFK- PT boat commander during WWII
Eisenhower- General of the Army. 1st governor of occupied Germany. Commander of Nato.
Truman- Artillery officer during WWI.
FDR- None.
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Yup. Military service is the only deciding factor for a good/bad president.
Asshole.
November 29, 2008 at 10:17 am
“…but it could be erased,
with just a word in Mr. Churchill’s ear”