Keep in mind on this, the day of the million bags being swallowed, that the massive populist taxpayer revolt signified by the bagadeers is in reaction to the fact that Obama passed one of the largest middle class tax cuts in US history, but has returned the upper bracket marginal rates to Clinton era levels (which were themselves lower than the rates that prevailed during much of that notorious Commie, Ronald Reagan’s tenure).
Even then, Obama isn’t actually passing a law to raise those rates as much as letting the Bush tax cuts expire as they were supposed to do – which enabled Bush and the GOP to downplay the hit the deficit would take with their redistribution of trillions of dollars to the wealthiest that rarely deign to even rub elbows with the unwashed hoi polloi among us.
So Obama plans to cut taxes for the working stiff, leave them in place for the upper middle and let the Bush cuts expire for the wealthiest. And implement a stimulus to breathe life into a moribund economy raped and left lifeless by a merry band of greedy bankers who now congregate with hands out and teary eyes a sense of indignant entitlement to the taxpayer largesse needed to ease their fall.
And for this, we get the rage of the lumpen proletariat aimed at Obama and his tax policies. Basically, what Taibbi said:
After all, the reason the winger crowd can’t find a way to be coherently angry right now is because this country has no healthy avenues for genuine populist outrage. It never has. The setup always goes the other way: when the excesses of business interests and their political proteges in Washington leave the regular guy broke and screwed, the response is always for the lower and middle classes to split down the middle and find reasons to get pissed off not at their greedy bosses but at each other. That’s why even people like Beck’s audience, who I’d wager are mostly lower-income people, can’t imagine themselves protesting against the Wall Street barons who in actuality are the ones who fucked them over. Beck pointedly compared the AIG protesters to Bolsheviks: “[The Communists] basically said ‘Eat the rich, they did this to you, get ‘em, kill ‘em!’” He then said the AIG and G20 protesters were identical: “It’s a different style, but the sentiments are exactly the same: Find ‘em, get ‘em, kill ‘em!’” Beck has an audience that’s been trained that the rich are not appropriate targets for anger, unless of course they’re Hollywood liberals, or George Soros, or in some other way linked to some acceptable class of villain, to liberals, immigrants, atheists, etc. — Ted Turner, say, married to Jane Fonda.
But actual rich people can’t ever be the target. It’s a classic peasant mentality: going into fits of groveling and bowing whenever the master’s carriage rides by, then fuming against the Turks in Crimea or the Jews in the Pale or whoever after spending fifteen hard hours in the fields. You know you’re a peasant when you worship the very people who are right now, this minute, conning you and taking your shit. Whatever the master does, you’re on board. When you get frisky, he sticks a big cross in the middle of your village, and you spend the rest of your life praying to it with big googly eyes. Or he puts out newspapers full of innuendo about this or that faraway group and you immediately salute and rush off to join the hate squad. A good peasant is loyal, simpleminded, and full of misdirected anger. And that’s what we’ve got now, a lot of misdirected anger searching around for a non-target to mis-punish… can’t be mad at AIG, can’t be mad at Citi or Goldman Sachs. The real villains have to be the anti-AIG protesters! After all, those people earned those bonuses! If ever there was a textbook case of peasant thinking, it’s struggling middle-class Americans burned up in defense of taxpayer-funded bonuses to millionaires. It’s really weird stuff. And bound to get weirder, I imagine, as this crisis gets worse and more complicated.
So go shake your fist-clutching-tea-bag at whoever it is you’ve been told to hate, you useful peasant you. Just don’t bother to look up at who it is that’s pissing on your head while you cast about for someone to blame for the rain.
April 15, 2009 at 10:37 am
don’t bother to look up at who it is that’s pissing on your head while you cast about for someone to blame for the rain
blame for the rain ? They are gargling the rich’s piss like it’s mouthwash. Or tea.
April 15, 2009 at 10:55 am
This isn’t about immediate tax bills so much as the massive spending going on that is going to result in inflation or higher taxes in the future. You are mischaracterizing the motivation for these events.
That said, where were the conservatives over the past eight years of astronomical spending?
April 15, 2009 at 11:14 am
That said, where were the conservatives over the past eight years of astronomical spending
Hence, I’m not really mischaracterizing much of much now am I.
This isn’t about immediate tax bills
Sure, hence all the slogans about how people are paying too much already.
April 15, 2009 at 11:59 am
More non-complaints about immediate tax bills:
The protestors have a simple hope – “repeal the pork, cut taxes,” said organizer Diana Reimer, head of the Philadelphia Tax Day Tea Party.
Cut taxes? But Obama did.
Nearly all of the 20 or more hand-lettered signs had a different message. Among them:
– “Even God Only Requires 10 Percent.”
– “It’s the Tenth Amendment, Stupid.” [...]
– “Three Months to Destroy What We’ve Had for 233 Years.”
“I got some strong feelings in the way that government has gone too far,” said Dennis Stanton, a maker of “truck wash systems” from Huntington Valley.
He stood listening, holding up a sign that read, “Innovation, Not Taxation.”
Yeah, in three months.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/breaking/news_breaking/20090415_200_gather_a_Love_Park_for_Tax_Day_Tea_Party.html
April 15, 2009 at 12:13 pm
You are mischaracterizing the motivation for these events.
Yeah, turn on Fox News and get with The Program. Stat!
April 15, 2009 at 12:58 pm
In all seriousness, though, go check out Dave Johnson’s post over at Seeing the Forest, and Ian Welsh’s reply.
To sum it up, these people are the same crazy as they were in the 90s, when they were accusing Clinton of Whitewater murders and discussing the finer points of black helicopters. What did they do with all this batshit insane paranoia?
Newt Gingrich is now an “intellectual”, killed universal healthcare, Robert Reich’s hopes and dreams, G.W. Bush.
And given that most people are not reading Taibbi (fer shame) – or for that matter Mr. Ersatz Capitalism Joe Stiglitz – if this economy isn’t good in 2012, and you just want a job that was vaguely equal to the one you lost from all this kerfluffle, then why not go with the rape of Howard Beale’s fictional corpse – err, Glenn Beck?
Remember, even now the 2 big stories lately haven’t been, say, the torture stuff that Emptywheel’s been great on, or the fuzzy math of the banks reporting fake profits, but…
BO-OBAMA
PIRATES! (I hope Sid Meier makes a new one soon)
I realize that this is after all our voter regs, and other ACTUAL grassroots activism (which I happily helped), but I hope that, besides all this exquisite mockery, we’re all also writing the occasional letter to the editor, etc., spelling out all this peasant nonsense. (brilliant on Taibbi’s part, btw. I only wish he was better on tv – even when he was on Bill Maher and allowed to curse, he couldn’t channel the rage he has with the pen. And where the hell did the eXile go?)
The Poorman keeps me sane, but keeping the GOP a Southern nutzoid party involves loud voices pushing the ole Overton Window towards sanity. I figure our #1 priority right now is to push as hard as possible for the economists we like to get onto all media outlets as not “just another slot to fill as anti-Obama from those crazy leftist partisans whom we’ll pair with Stephen Moore for balance” side, but as “rational people looking at the facts and not liking it one bit”. I don’t want to see James Galbraith, Dean Baker, Max Sawicky, Nouriel Roubini, Brad Setser, Barry Ritholz, Stirling Newberry, Ian Welsh, and others in a very long list confined to the Internet, but showcased on broadcast news and printed in every local paper for their omniscience.
Hell, if anything, I’m more disgusted by the Chuck Todds of the world, who are saying that this Teabag bullshit is “a test of the right’s social networking skills” – notwithstanding that this tech is all at least 5 years old – than I am by Neil Cavuto applying for a job with Dick Armey’s Whore-inghouse, err, Westinghouse, after his Fox Business News tanked.
As some dude who I heard from Glenn Beck spoke out against liberal fascism said, “Push the Overton Window or Death!” Or, as some lame guy from the 30s said to an activist, “All that shit’s great, kid – now make me do it.”
April 15, 2009 at 12:58 pm
In all seriousness, though, go check out Dave Johnson’s post over at Seeing the Forest, and Ian Welsh’s reply.
To sum it up, these people are the same crazy as they were in the 90s, when they were accusing Clinton of Whitewater murders and discussing the finer points of black helicopters. What did they do with all this batshit insane paranoia?
Newt Gingrich is now an “intellectual”, killed universal healthcare, Robert Reich’s hopes and dreams, G.W. Bush.
And given that most people are not reading Taibbi (fer shame) – or for that matter Mr. Ersatz Capitalism Joe Stiglitz – if this economy isn’t good in 2012, and you just want a job that was vaguely equal to the one you lost from all this kerfluffle, then why not go with the rape of Howard Beale’s fictional corpse – err, Glenn Beck?
Remember, even now the 2 big stories lately haven’t been, say, the torture stuff that Emptywheel’s been great on, or the fuzzy math of the banks reporting fake profits, but…
BO-OBAMA
PIRATES! (I hope Sid Meier makes a new one soon)
I realize that this is after all our voter regs, and other ACTUAL grassroots activism (which I happily helped), but I hope that, besides all this exquisite mockery, we’re all also writing the occasional letter to the editor, etc., spelling out all this peasant nonsense. (brilliant on Taibbi’s part, btw. I only wish he was better on tv – even when he was on Bill Maher and allowed to curse, he couldn’t channel the rage he has with the pen. And where the hell did the eXile go?)
The Poorman keeps me sane, but keeping the GOP a Southern nutzoid party involves loud voices pushing the ole Overton Window towards sanity. I figure our #1 priority right now is to push as hard as possible for the economists we like to get onto all media outlets as not “just another slot to fill as anti-Obama from those crazy leftist partisans whom we’ll pair with Stephen Moore for balance” side, but as “rational people looking at the facts and not liking it one bit”. I don’t want to see James Galbraith, Dean Baker, Max Sawicky, Nouriel Roubini, Brad Setser, Barry Ritholz, Stirling Newberry, Ian Welsh, and others in a very long list confined to the Internet, but showcased on broadcast news and printed in every local paper for their omniscience.
Hell, if anything, I’m more disgusted by the Chuck Todds of the world, who are saying that this Teabag bullshit is “a test of the right’s social networking skills” – notwithstanding that this tech is all at least 5 years old – than I am by Neil Cavuto applying for a job with Dick Armey’s Whore-inghouse, err, Westinghouse, after his Fox Business News tanked.
As some dude who I heard from Glenn Beck spoke out against liberal fascism said, “Push the Overton Window or Death!” Or, as some lame guy from the 30s said to an activist, “All that shit’s great, kid – now make me do it.”
April 15, 2009 at 12:59 pm
doh double post
April 15, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Lookit Mr. Obama steal the issue.
April 15, 2009 at 5:24 pm
No wonder the teabaggers hate Obama. He’s a self-made millionaire paying a third of his income in taxes, and not only not complaining about it, but proposing to make himself pay even more. Meanwhile, these whiny douchebags are mostly getting their taxes cut by the same guy, and all they can do is bitch about it. Fuck ‘em.
April 15, 2009 at 5:47 pm
I’m sure you meant (snif!)
“hoi unwashed polloi”
old man, I mean, rully!
April 15, 2009 at 8:23 pm
12% of 36% who oppose the President showed up, (maybe), each for different reasons, that only John Birch knows, instead of party building, they seem to be seeking to split the GOP. Sounds awesome, I hope they protest against themselves everyday.
April 15, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Just keep your gens off my face. Don’t dunk your junk on my bunk.
April 15, 2009 at 8:41 pm
I like the useful idiot line. I also like the DHS report that pretty much puts any political enemy of the administration into the domestic terrorist camp. I also like the concept of irony. And the concept of freedom. And the irony of the concept of freedom being trampled upon by admittedly non-Nazis. I also enjoy useful idiots…
Did I sum this up properly, or as I usually do, being who and what I am, just miss the mark completely?
April 15, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, I like the concept of ponies. Y’know, for the kids.
April 15, 2009 at 9:33 pm
And another thing,
April 15, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Oh yeah?
You’ve been moded.
April 16, 2009 at 7:21 am
I don’t want to see James Galbraith, Dean Baker, Max Sawicky, Nouriel Roubini, Brad Setser, Barry Ritholz, Stirling Newberry, Ian Welsh, and others in a very long list confined to the Internet, but showcased on broadcast news and printed in every local paper for their omniscience.
Word to that.
April 16, 2009 at 7:28 am
I also like the DHS report that pretty much puts any political enemy of the administration into the domestic terrorist camp.
Um, not exactly.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=19956
The report, which was mostly authored during the Bush presidency, numbest of nuts, puts militant extremists in the domestic terrorist camp. Folks like Tim McVeigh – remember him?
The only political opponents that are “put into the domestic terrorist camp” are those that act like domestic terrorists.
When you need Little Green Footballs and AJ Strata as a check on your paranoia/delusions, you know its time to just pack it up and in hombre.
April 16, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Nom de Plume: Would you be shocked to discover that some wingnuts are arguing Obama should pay more in taxes than he’s legally required?
C’mon, Mr. President. Let’s get your actions in line with your talk. At an absolute minimum amend your return, waive all your itemized deductions and claims for credits—including the one you took for foreign taxes, for pete’s sake!—and pony up the max rather than the min.
April 17, 2009 at 12:22 am
I love when high-profile pundits use their gilded perches to explain how the punters fail to grasp the One True Populism, which, in a remarkable coincidence, is in complete harmonious accord with said pundit’s own politics. I realize words have meant absolutely nothing for at least the past decade, but if you want class conflict, or continuing fealty to bow tie conservatives, or whatever, can you please stop calling it ‘real populism’? I realize that this may seem like a quaint complaint in the age of Liberal Fascism, but can we at least stop re-coining this term for “whatever resentments I am personally nursing”?
/END RANT
April 17, 2009 at 7:06 am
I agree that “genuine” might be the wrong word. Perhaps, rational populism? Populism whose ire is somewhat tied to reality? As in, anger at the people that are responsible for your plight, not those seeking to ameliorate?
April 17, 2009 at 9:01 pm
I also like the DHS report that pretty much puts any political enemy of the administration into the domestic terrorist camp.
As someone who spent the last seven and a half years being accused of allying myself with terrorists who want to kill Americans, because I did terrible things like vote Democrat and say it was a bad idea to invade Iraq, and who watched peaceful groups get spied on by federal agents and harmless Americans put on terrorist watch lists, and who recently saw on American conservative write a book about the wisdom of World War II internment camps, allow me to cordially invite you to go fuck yourself.
April 17, 2009 at 9:53 pm
If a reform is popular, like Civil Rights, or the Americans with Disabilities act, etc., it will come about no matter what, the difference it the rate of change and how long it takes. Progression vs. Reaction over changes to the status quo is the nature of the contraptions groups of humans with shared resources create to determine how those resources will be distributed.
I don’t understand, “there is no healthy avenues for populist outrage.” What does that mean, what would a healthy avenue look like? I think that if we reform the way we fund elections in this country we could improve the situation, but as for the issues, the issues come about organically, the pressure builds over time, like a pressure cooker, and unless government releases pressure, the citizens in a democracy take things into their own hands like we saw in the 1960s. That historical period was due to a culmination of pressures that were not released. You could say the election of Obama is the culmination of unreleased pressure, the Democrats have held an advantage over the GOP when it comes to policy choices on all Domestic fronts, (environment, education, health, economy), for over twenty years. The GOP won elections by refracting the will of the voters, instead of reflecting their will, like the Democrats, such that the questions and priorities become warped and deformed, and the results follow suit. The pressure from the GOP not addressing the most important issues to voters, plus the demographics, caught up to them. As it always will. It’s always just a matter of time. I see where we are going, I want to get their faster, the GOP want to go reverse. The rate of change can have unintended consequences if it moves too fast. For me ideology is all about rate of change, and has no history, nor future because it is only relevant to the current time. There is no real relation, for example between Abe Lincoln and the current GOP. Due to all of the millions of intangibles, history is novel, but rarely comparatively insightful. Ideology is not only related to time and space but totally dependent.
The tea baggers sentiments about spending is a minute issue in relation to say Civil Rights or any other issue that makes people go to out and conduct passive resistance or in our history, violence. There are open avenues in a democracy, if the demand was real then millions of protestors wouldn’t just carry signs and stand around listening to FOX broadcasters, they would break the law in defiance. I think there is some intensity for a small portion of Americans, but that intensity has no real breadth.
What I see is the White Male power structure devolving due to demographics, and the remaining DoDos clucking. By nature, Conservatives are passive, unwilling to break laws and personally go to jail for their causes, and their plight isn’t that severe, otherwise you would physically see it, every day. The timidity of this coalition is an insight into its incredulity amongst a plurality, in order to be populism, you need at least 50%+1 to call it populism. The Tea Baggers have maybe 20-35%. That’s not protest populism, it’s protest elitism.
If an idea, reform, or position is popular enough, the avenues really don’t matter, even so, the avenues look clear to me.
April 17, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Therefor, Astroturf instead of Grass Roots.