Frank Rich is, for lack of a better word, shrill. Exhibit Q:
Both Dick Cheney, hoping to prove that torture “worked,” and Nancy Pelosi, fending off accusations of hypocrisy on torture, have now asked for classified C.I.A. documents to be made public. When a duo this unlikely, however inadvertently, is on the same side of an issue, the wave is rising too fast for any White House to control. Court cases, including appeals by the “bad apples” made scapegoats for Abu Ghraib, will yank more secrets into the daylight and enlist more anxious past and present officials into the Cheney-Pelosi demands for disclosure.
It’s funny that when torture was all the fault of poor, ugly hillbillies of the sort David Brooks writes about in his Adventure Stories for Young Aristocrats, we had to throw the book at the evil-doers. Now that important figures in Washington have admitted to directly ordering more and worse, however, the question of even investigating whether some sort of crime may perhaps have taken place is fraught with all sort of beard-tugging brain-twisters which no man can untangle, even with the help of modern computer technology. How can we investigate if we don’t know all the facts? How dare we enforce laws against things which might possibly be permissible in some highly artificial thought experiment? What if ’24′ is FOR REALS?!? These are the sorts of questions which need to be shrugged at for 50 billion news cycles before we can even think about OH MY GOD A SHARK ATE A WHITE LADY AT HER WEDDING!!!!! We’ve got what amounts to a reverse Nuremberg defense, where Bush administration officials are let off the hook because they were only giving orders. I’m not sure that’s such a great idea.
May 17, 2009 at 1:23 pm
“We’ve got what amounts to a reverse Nuremberg defense, where Bush administration officials are let off the hook because they were only giving orders.”
I plan to steal that.
May 18, 2009 at 2:54 am
Maureen Dowd probably beat you to it.
May 18, 2009 at 3:24 am
best, clearest, punchiest
May 18, 2009 at 8:09 am
Editors yet again bring the win
May 17, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Speaking of sympathy for bad apples . . .
I’ll bet old Chuck Graner feels like a real idiot, sitting there in his lonely cell at Leavenworth on a ten-year ticket. He and Chip Frederick (who got eight years) were the only ones who drew serious time on the whole torture/abuse deal. (Lynndie England got three years, and is already out) At this point, it should be obvious to all concerned that Chuck and company were only doing what they were, if not ordered, were encouraged to do.
I’m not saying Chuck shouldn’t be there – I’m just saying it’s a shame he doesn’t have some company. Lots of company.
May 18, 2009 at 3:25 am
Wouldn’t it be a worthwhile thing if Lynndie began a public campaign to free the small fry and fry the big Dicks?
May 19, 2009 at 9:45 am
I dunno – I can’t say this about most of the people in prison, but I definitely feel safer with Charles Graner locked up.
May 17, 2009 at 3:16 pm
I second the +1 on “Reverse Nuremberg”, *everyone* should steal it. Kudos, Editors, you lasered in on that one.
Oh, yeah, also, Frank Rich doesn’t like Russ Meyer films much, except for Faster, Pussycat! Shrill! Shrill!
May 17, 2009 at 4:14 pm
This is actually turning out to be a very nice day. Maureen Dowd busted for plagiarism. Please, Baby Jesus, please oh please let this snowball.
May 17, 2009 at 4:15 pm
There’s a better word than shrill? A word that more perfectly conveys the Jonah Goldbergs of the world lying on their back in poopy pants kicking and screaming that someone clean up their mess for them?
O me of little faith. I had no idea such a thing was even possible.
May 17, 2009 at 4:17 pm
“beard-tugging brain-twisters”
What Jonah thinks of as geisha porn.
May 17, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Hey! Credit MacDaddy’s teeth didn’t bling-blink in the closing close-up of his teeth!
I am to presume that this commercial is for really reals and not a parody.
*sigh* I remember working on a farm not far from Athens, GA. I remember spending summers at my aunt&uncle’s big brick home in Riverdale just outside of Atlanta (before it became a giant apartment complex or something). I remember spending weekends in the drunk tank in Elberton, GA. I remember… I remember (that subtle pause and reiteration is a trick I picked up from last year’s election speeches)… I remember a south that back then in the evil and ignorant 60s&70s nonetheless seemed less ignorantly racist and hysterically white girls love big black dickensian novelists than this commercial.
I had no idea the Southern Baptist convention had so throughly completed the Seven Tasks for Sauron.
I try to miss the South. Really I do. It has its charms.
But I can only be grateful I live diagonally opposite from it in the Inland Pacifically Northwestical* city of Spokane.
*Northwestical: when your balls are so big they need compass directions
May 17, 2009 at 5:12 pm
OH MY GOD A SHARK ATE A WHITE LADY AT HER WEDDING
Something tells me there is a PR flack somewhere inside the Pentagon, or possibly Langley, working on the video for this at this very moment.
May 18, 2009 at 3:22 am
You mean, working on building the shark.
May 18, 2009 at 8:24 am
It’s called ‘sharking the jump.
May 18, 2009 at 4:44 pm
In Soviet Russia …
May 17, 2009 at 6:39 pm
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May 17, 2009 at 7:02 pm
I feel kinda pathetic being the third person to steal the reverse Nurnberg defense. But there you go. Three times is the charm. Or something.
Can somebody explain to me why Spawn of Cheney is awarded a working microphone? Shouldn’t she be home, monitoring the temperature of her father’s crypt?
May 17, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Hey now, more sympathy is ALWAYS a good thing.
Wouldn’t those “bad apples” become even MORE sympathetic strapped to gurneys, twitching helpelssly as the IVs are turned on while the gallery joins together in a chorus of “Happy Days Are Here Again”?
You’ll never know until you try it & find out, America!
May 17, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Can somebody explain to me why Spawn of Cheney is awarded a working microphone? Shouldn’t she be home, monitoring the temperature of her father’s crypt?
Isn’t she the lesbian one? Or is there a second Spawn of Darth Cheney? The only reason I ask is that I wish, if they have to give her a microphone, is that they ask her about gay marriage. That’ll make her head explode.
May 17, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Liz Cheney is Cheney’s other daughter. Mary Cheney is the gay daughter.
Not surprisingly, you don’t see Mary out there vehmently defending her Sith Lord father. I’m guessing she’s got mixed feelings about things.
May 17, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Naw, younger daughter Mary is the one with the unpatriotic, freedom-hating sexual orientation. She’s done her own version of selling out, from accounts I read from the GLBT folks during the 2004 campaign, but for obvious reasons daddy’s friends and family would rather she stay under the radar.
May 18, 2009 at 10:22 am
Conundrums abound:
Cheney is defending torture to defend relentlessly killing people in order to spread democracy, imminent threat, yellow cake and all other mfg’d propaganda…. yet hasn’t EVER done a tour to defend his lesbian daughter, her partner and their child.
We can assume those campaign “wedge issues” are still too valuable to the GOP for him to display himself as a man that values his family over party mantras.
May 18, 2009 at 2:28 am
Best, most concise summation of the Village Idiot’s Dilemma I’ve read anywhere!
May 18, 2009 at 2:43 am
It’s who does it that matters, and to which end. When the end is good, as deemed by the powers that be, then all means are valid.
And all kinds of contortions are allowed, in making the unacceptable become policy.
You just have to live with the world you have, not the one you wish you had.
May 18, 2009 at 3:13 am
Whatever your day job is, man, give it up. We need you writing full time.
May 18, 2009 at 3:23 am
Green Day fucking sucks.
May 18, 2009 at 3:25 am
So does having your “wisdom” teeth extracted post 35. Ouchy-fucking ouch.
May 18, 2009 at 3:26 am
and when you wake up in the middle of your dental surgery, it really is just like a horror movie.
May 18, 2009 at 9:51 am
This happened to you, too?
Mine wasn’t horror movie, it was more like Fellini goes to the dentist.
May 22, 2009 at 1:26 pm
When I had my wisdom teeth out (I was only twenty-three or four, I think, but that didn’t make it pleasant), I only had local anesthesia because the concept of being rendered unconscious always freaks me out. It was not administered entirely effectively, however, and the dentist got unreasonably annoyed at me when I started making agonizing squealing sounds. Dude–I couldn’t HELP it. It fucking HURT. A LOT.
May 18, 2009 at 4:16 am
Thank you for putting such a good name on it, but we’ve actually seen the “Reverse Nuremburg Defense” for quite some time … in the corporate world: “it wasn’t my fault that those shoes were made from the tears of tortured children whose mothers were murdered in front of them by cronies of a corrupt regime whilst they were locked in a sweatshop — I just gave the orders to have shoes made at an unreasonable price, and it wasn’t my fault that those orders were followed in such a way”.
Bush, our first CEO president indeed.
May 18, 2009 at 4:59 am
I hear Frank Rich was a fan of groundbreaking comedienne Shryllis Shriller.
May 18, 2009 at 5:16 am
We’ve got what amounts to a reverse Nuremberg defense, where Bush administration officials are let off the hook because they were only giving orders.
Beautiful. That’s why they pay you guys the big bucks ;-)
May 18, 2009 at 5:18 am
Hey, what’s important here isn’t that the Bush Administration ordered torture and lied to everybody. It also doesn’t matter that they were apparently torturing people so they’d confess to nonexistent links between Al Quaeda and Iraq. Doesn’t matter that this was bin Laden’s recruitment dream–and, of course, we’d let him get away so he and his cronies could make the most of it. Doesn’t matter it led to the deaths of thousands of American troops, and a loss of prestige from which we may never recover.
What really matters here is that the House minority leader, a position with only slightly more institutional power than the House shoeshine guy, received a classified briefing in which she might possibly have been informed some part of this was happening.
So, you know, everybody’s equally bad and we all just have to wash our hands of this. Because there’s no obvious hillbillies for us to throw the book at.
May 18, 2009 at 6:40 am
popurls.com // popular today…
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May 18, 2009 at 6:45 am
Reverse “Nuremberg” is:
“Greb Merun”
Anagrammed; ie, giving (new letter) orders:
“burger men”
“Reverse Nuremberg” anagrammed:
“burger severer men”
May 18, 2009 at 8:00 am
Dear god — I think the video at the end was worse than everything about torture that preceded it.
May 18, 2009 at 8:05 am
[...] Sympathy for the bad apples « The Poor Man Institute We’ve got what amounts to a reverse Nuremberg defense, where Bush administration officials are let off the hook because they were only giving orders. [...]
May 18, 2009 at 8:49 am
Eds got a big hat tip from Atrios which is why everybody has converged here.
OTOH if someone actually did do ‘Sympathy for the Apples’ it would sound pretty cool, I suspect. “Please let me peel and core myself, I’m a fruit that’s tart but sweet…”
May 18, 2009 at 8:59 am
After recalling the Ollie North defense, I’ve been counting all along on a similar show of patriotic bloodlust fervor as the end result of this war crimes investigation.
Just imagine Karl Rove with a flag lapel pin the size of his gluteus maximus dripping with similar excrement.
May 18, 2009 at 9:23 am
[...] a good quote from The Poor Man on the torture regime’s “Reverse Nuremberg” defense “where Bush [...]
May 18, 2009 at 9:33 am
[...] the Editors at The Poor [...]
May 18, 2009 at 9:48 am
[...] On torture (seriously, we’re you expecting something else?): How dare we enforce laws against things which might possibly be permissible in some highly artificial thought experiment? What if ‘24′ is FOR REALS?!? These are the sorts of questions which need to be shrugged at for 50 billion news cycles before we can even think about OH MY GOD A SHARK ATE A WHITE LADY AT HER WEDDING!!!!! We’ve got what amounts to a reverse Nuremberg defense, where Bush administration officials are let off the hook because they were only giving orders. I’m not sure that’s such a great idea. [...]
May 18, 2009 at 10:01 am
Can you provide a link for the SHARK ATE A WHITE LADY AT HER WEDDING?
May 18, 2009 at 10:13 am
[...] [...]
May 18, 2009 at 10:41 am
Wow, the Eds gettin’ some crosstown traffic. Shows the value of coining a good epigram. Maybe you should do a Brady post to clear the room.
May 18, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Sorry, the joke’s pretty old.
Look for a 70s era SNL episode where Jane Curtain’s obit for someone (I’ve forgotten whom), includes the line “I didn’t personally kill anyone, I was only giving orders.”
May 18, 2009 at 12:08 pm
ET:
Apparently, the joke is so old, and so obscure, that none of the commenters (save you) or linkers seemed to remember the Jane Curtain skit from a 70s episode of SNL that aired when The Editors was wearing diapers (instead of changing em).
Just sayin.
May 18, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Geddy, Alex and I approve of the The Eds. copyrighting their new phrase and charging everyone to view this post. Just like the big girls at the AP (no slight to real women intended).
May 18, 2009 at 12:37 pm
[...] at The Poor Man Institute, The Editors say it all: We’ve got what amounts to a reverse Nuremberg defense, where Bush administration officials are [...]
May 18, 2009 at 2:02 pm
“Please let me peel and core myself, I’m a fruit that’s tart but sweet…”
Now THAT’S entertainment.
May 19, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Woo Woo!
May 19, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I got red skin an’ a long stem too, I’m the kind you like to eat…”
May 19, 2009 at 3:46 pm
‘mon babee, bite my crisp, you *know* you love white meat.
Alas. I was born a poor black child…
May 18, 2009 at 5:03 pm
http://merrickforachange.ngphost.com/node/7
Merrick Alpert for Connecticut.
May 18, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Merrick Alpert played bass for Udu Wudu and later Wappa Gappa, he’s also a muppet, a hobbit, and rides a magic Gryphon named Delmontocarlie Habbleshram.
Chis Dodd did not pay me from a sludge fund to hobbit-blog Merrick Alpert.
Paid for by Chris Dodd for Banking.
May 18, 2009 at 8:05 pm
http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/000639.html
“First of all, when asked about his U.N. presentation on Iraqi WMD, Powell blames unnamed low-level government underlings for the fact everything in it was false. Classy! Nothing says “great leadership” like the reverse-Nuremberg defense:
It’s obvious I had to order the extermination of six million Jews. My underlings had given me intelligence that they were subhumans scheming to destroy the master race.
In this particular case, according to Powell, “There was some people in the intelligence community who knew at that time that some of these sources were not good and shouldn’t be relied upon, and they didn’t speak up. That devastated me.”
This quote from 2005 is offered here not to slight Theeds brilliant epigram o’ the month, but to give us hope: genius strikes more than one place.
Here’s the underlying amperage of the reverse Nuremberg’s genius: it totally sidestep’s Godwin’s Law.
Behold: the correlation that brought me to The Toot in the 1st place cycles again:
http://twitter.com/GreatDismal/statuses/1829403245
Ken Burns had eyes like two pissholes in the snow but nobody noticed because of all that wire-brushed hair.
May 19, 2009 at 6:54 am
Nobody thought “The Credit Mac Daddy” was a bad idea?
Everyone involved saw the white lady mash her husband’s face with a pie, then go dance with “The Credit Mac Daddy,” and they all signed off on it?
William T. Sherman, where are you when we need you?
May 19, 2009 at 9:34 am
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May 19, 2009 at 10:24 am
The Magnanimous View
May 20, 2009 at 7:13 am
[...] response deserves to win “quote of the day” honors: “Sympathy for the bad apples“, by The Editors at The Poor Man Institute for Freedom & Democracy & a Pony, 17 May [...]
May 20, 2009 at 9:10 am
[...] Sympathy for the bad apples (The Poor Man Institute) It’s funny that when torture was all the fault of poor, ugly hillbillies of the sort David Brooks writes about in his Adventure Stories for Young Aristocrats, we had to throw the book at the evil-doers. Now that important figures in Washington have admitted to directly ordering more and worse, however, the question of even investigating whether some sort of crime may perhaps have taken place is fraught with all sort of beard-tugging brain-twisters which no man can untangle, even with the help of modern computer technology. How can we investigate if we don’t know all the facts? How dare we enforce laws against things which might possibly be permissible in some highly artificial thought experiment? [...]