Follow along if you can kids:
As Dick Cheney said, our government-run torture regime doesn’t motivate would-be terrorists or increase attacks on our troops. Terrorists don’t care about stuff like that. They hate us for our freedoms!
But - heavan’s no!! - we can’t release photos of torture because those pictures will increase attacks on our troops and homeland.
Like listening to the sound of one sociopath playing patty-cake.
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May 28, 2009 at 12:20 pm
(stealing a line from comments at Roger Ailes’ blog:
“And that’s So-Cia-Li-Sm, folks, pure and simple.”
To a wingnut, that is. Dick Cheney playing pattycake with himself, redistributing wealth, or at least rearranging a paucity of self-consistent ideas.
May 28, 2009 at 12:56 pm
It’s because the terrorists don’t seem to understand that it wasn’t a torture regime, our detention facilities simply somehow became entirely run and staffed by a few bad apples for a period of 4 years. Nobody’s fault, really.
Bad apples are quite fond of the child rape, ya know.
May 28, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Cue the “My wife asks me to do that, how bad could it be?” arguments.
May 28, 2009 at 3:21 pm
(Rodney Dangerfield voice) Take my wife! w/ a taser!
June 5, 2009 at 1:56 pm
The originator of the ‘Take my wife … please’ was Henny Youngman.
Just sayin’.
May 28, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Considering the frequency and enthusiasm that male US soldiers like to rape female US soldiers, I can only imagine what they’ve done to detainees.
May 28, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Considering the frequency and enthusiasm that male US soldiers like to rape female US soldiers, I can only imagine what they’ve done to detainees.
Rape is a feature of almost every war and armed conflict since the beginning of recorded history. The US military is not above this, unfortunately, nor is it noteworthy in terms of either frequency of commission or enthusiasm involved.
May 28, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I assume you are invoking the Fad Defense:
“But Mom! Everybody’s doing it!”
And of course, war justifies all.
“Damn dirty apes!”
May 28, 2009 at 3:28 pm
No, not a defense of anything. Just wanted to be clear that rape in war is not a uniquely US-centric phenomenon.
It even existed before there was a US.
That doesn’t excuse it, but I don’t think US soldiers are noted for their penchant or enthusiasm above soldiers from other countries.
May 28, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Rape might have existed in all wars, but rape sanctioned by the state and the CinC “to keep us secure” hasn’t been proposed in the last 50 years, and even then, it was only proposed by the nazis.
May 28, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Rape is still very common in war, and has been since forever. In Sudan and Bosnia, I believe, it is/was pretty clearly state sanctioned, and in Congo and Columbia it was/is effectively a “policy” of the combatants, to government indifference. AFAIK, and there’s no evidence that the US government ever “sanctioned” rape, as there is with, say, waterboarding, although very little would surprise me at this point.
May 28, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Indeed. This is part of why I think war is such an awful idea and should be avoided.
May 28, 2009 at 4:01 pm
“That doesn’t excuse it, but I don’t think US soldiers are noted for their penchant or enthusiasm above soldiers from other countries.”
I don’t either, but then, dAVE didn’t compare USA soldiers to those of other countries, and I think such comparisons hold little if any meaning.
It’s like those tired polisci types who feel they must ever remind us that “compared to Stalin, Hitler was a cakewalk”.
The comparison dAVE made was between rape by USA soldiers among themselves, period, in peace and war, and how such behavior might serve as a baseline for rape by USA soldiers during a war under conditions officially sanctioning degrading treatment of detainees.
May 28, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Let’s all discuss the fine points of rape, shall we? Maybe we can reach a Broder-like balance of bad rape vs good rape.
May 28, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Bad rape gives you AIDS.
May 28, 2009 at 5:59 pm
What were we discussing originally? Were we theorycrafting new ways to blame minorities for the collapse of the mortgage securities market? I lose track so easily.
May 28, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Is something wrong? Why don’t I bring us all some nice cookies with some warm milk.
May 28, 2009 at 6:41 pm
They all want to dance wit the rich ugly American, si?
May 28, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Speaking of “Needle” Dick Cheney, I’ve often wondered why his preferred mode of transportation didn’t get more attention.
May 28, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Theeds or Sifu discussed Cheney’s Airstream turducken last summer, I think it was.
May 29, 2009 at 6:51 am
An Airstream is handy for carrying a coffin filled with your native soil.
May 29, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Wooden stake-feets don’t fail me NOW!!!!????!!!
May 30, 2009 at 8:13 pm
And the teevee’s probably only got one channel.
May 29, 2009 at 3:46 am
Frontline-World on PBS has a pretty insightful end of season inside Pakistan, Swat, Karachi, extravaganza. Well worth watching.
Do it. Do it.
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/
Yeah.
May 30, 2009 at 3:31 pm
It’s actually very simple, and you libruls just don’t want to understand it.
It’s not torture which inspires terrorists; it’s pictures.
The dangerous terrorist types are very visual. They can endure any number of stories of torture without response; but if they see a photo, or maybe even a good realistic cartoon, then, man will they go nuts.
May 30, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Don’t nobody wind them up with a Xtranormal film clip, then.
May 30, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Problem solved!
We don’t have to torture them anymore, just show them pitchers of torture.
Or maybe them watch all episodes of 24.
Or give their phone #s to Kiefer to call when he’s drunk.
Win!!!
May 31, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Alright, I’ll be the asshole:
heavan’s no!! should be heavens no!!
May 31, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Heaven IS no. Haven;t you studies Xtianity?
As for multiple heavens, that’s mormonism or dante or Hawking’s fave explanation of certain paradozes (I like that typo and so will leave it as such) implied by quantum theory.
So, either you’re an ahhole or an asshole’s(sic). ;)
May 31, 2009 at 5:04 pm
http://www.republicanoffenders.com/index.html
Why is the man who murdered Dr. Tiller in a church not a Conservative Terrorist? The intent is not only to kill Tiller but also to invoke a political position. I see O’Reilly and the GOP Radio filet Tiller verbally, calling him “Tiller the Baby Killer”. Tiller was recently charged with 19 counts and was acquited on all charges. This guy is following State and Local laws, saving the lives of Mother’s and it’s sad situation that nobody enjoys. The access to health care in this country is horrible, and for women in certain states, the essence of Roe is being betrayed as it is a violation of the 14th amendment by many of the States. The Tiller Law would require federal standards for access to health care including family planning for the benefit of the security and tranquility of the United States. It will consider attacks on Doctors to be acts of terror and assailants will be detained where ever the GITMO detainees are. It’s an act of sedition and should be treated as an attack on the government and not just a murder without context.
Discuss. 300 words Wednesday. Roller Rink. Contest. Ballon Animal.
May 31, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Who said he isn’t a terrorist?
June 4, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I painfully admit when I heard about Tiller I really was tempted to firebomb a fucking fundy Church. Just so that, in the immortal words of Ann Coulter: they ‘realize that they, too, can be killed’.
Or maybe just shoot one in the face.