Ah, the racism that doesn’t exist in America anymore (and would y’all quit complainin’ already):
More than 60 campers from Northeast Philadelphia were turned away from a private swim club and left to wonder if their race was the reason.
“I heard this lady, she was like, ‘Uh, what are all these black kids doing here?’ She’s like, ‘I’m scared they might do something to my child,’” said camper Dymire Baylor.
The Creative Steps Day Camp paid more than $1900 to The Valley Swim Club. The Valley Swim Club is a private club that advertises open membership. But the campers’ first visit to the pool suggested otherwise.
“When the minority children got in the pool all of the Caucasian children immediately exited the pool,” Horace Gibson, parent of a day camp child, wrote in an email. “The pool attendants came and told the black children that they did not allow minorities in the club and needed the children to leave immediately.”
This is all so familiar. Also, the type of thing that the National Review made hay defending back in the day (retooled, refitted, updated).
Despite my rugged exterior, Jay Z-like street cred and remarkable penchant for being down at all times - and as unlikely as this may sound to you dear reader - I grew up in a rich white burb (of NYC mind you, not Alabama or Mississippi). And by white, I mean police-enforced, purest white.
The next town over was the inverse (lower income scale, minority population, knowledge among locals that life had progressed past 1952, etc). Thus, as it was known to all involved, the police would make a regular habit of pulling over/stopping minorities that had the nerve to cross the border into Pristineville. Just for being there.
Even minority children got harassed.
My town had a bunch of parks that were little Meccas for the snot-nose set, and so it wasn’t uncommon to see the occasional young black or Hispanic kid showing up at the front gate with wide eyes. Of course, the park tenders would snap into action, halt the interlopers before they entered and let them know that you had to be a resident of the town – or the guest of a resident – in order to be let in. Obviously, by virtue of their melanin count, they weren’t residents.
After discovering that loophole (Guest of a resident? Is that all!), bleeding heart liberal that I was even at age 5, I took it upon myself to forever guest-in any and all kids from surrounding environs that wanted to partake of our gold-encrusted jungle gym. That pissed off the park reps to no end, but that only sweetened the pot.
Took a couple of beatings from the local bullies too, and was called ”n**ger lover” so often it was my nickname for a while. But I was an ornery little cuss when I thought I was doing the right thing. Besides, playground violence was nothing compared to the savagery that racial animus produced as the children got older.
And the bigotry wasn’t limited to blacks and Hispanics.
A decade or so ago (long after I fled that mess of a town) I heard of how one of the local families was kicked out of the country club because the club’s leaders discovered the patriarch’s grandfather was…Jewish. Seriously. That’s the level of racism/bigotry thriving right outside of liberal, elitist, multi-culti, homo-friendly, New York City.
One of my friend’s fathers (a dreaded trial lawyer with a sense of right and wrong) threatened to bring the whole damn plantation down if they went through with it. The country club relented, but the damage was done. Not sure if the family even wanted membership after that. I kind of hope not.
Which is a long, roundabout way of saying: Fuck you “racism doesn’t exist in America.” And fuck you to everyone who’s hung up on the perils of – clutches pearls – reverse racism. Or racialism. Or political correctness. Or affirmative action. Or whatever way it is that people are choosing to express their frustration that being openly racist just isn’t as acceptable as it once was.
Though not exactly gauche in all settings, obviously. Still, we make them feel guilty, and that makes us fascists. Or something.
July 8, 2009 at 2:17 pm
“…gold-encrusted jungle gym.”
Deep in the heart of your mini argula rain forest.
If Rush Limbaugh ever tried to attend a party at my swanky, Galacticus edition Olympian swimming pool pavillion, and dared to soil it’s selenium sidewalks with his manicured tootsies, much less pollute its healing aphrodisiac waters with his actual corpus, I will deliver his carefully rendered remnants to the doorstep of the nuclear energy plant nearest his residence, carefully sealed into two lead-lined containers, one labeled African Genetic Ancestry and one No African Genetic Ancestry.
The lead lining won;t be to protect anyone from the nonextant deadly rays that don;t emanate from his individually wrapped organic molecules, it will be to obscure the fact that the container marked No African Genetic Ancestry will be as empty as his widdle punkin head — after one has squeezed the puss out, that is.
Heil Roosch!
July 8, 2009 at 2:20 pm
P.S. Where *was* Kiefer when this happened?
July 8, 2009 at 2:26 pm
I recently moved to the US and one of the negative things about an otherwise wonderful place is the level of casual racism that I see. The weird thing is that I think that many people born here honestly do not see it.
July 8, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Where *was* Kiefer when this happened?
I know. He would have put a stop to it.
July 8, 2009 at 4:05 pm
I can almost, almost, work up a tiny bit of empathy for people who are up front with their racism. A certain amount of stupidity and meanness is engrained in all of us. But I cannot abide these racist motherfuckers who try to pretend that it’s really the nasty librulz who are racists, since helping the poor is what keeps the poor poor, or something, and white people are gettin’ screwed, and hey, look, Clarence Thomas!
July 8, 2009 at 4:57 pm
i think you’re quite right about “how dare they make us feel guilty for hating xyz!”
that was rep. asshole’s justification for voting against the plaque acknowledging slave labor in the construction of the capital building. he said something about jesus and guilt. and clearly he wasn’t catholic cuz he was saying that jesus wouldn’t want us to feel guilty (in town all weekend ladies and gentlemen).
July 8, 2009 at 5:49 pm
I live in Atlanta, where we proudly discriminate based on socio-economic class rather than on race. Rich Whites and rich Blacks come together to filch from and politically sodomize Whites, Blacks, Asians, Latinos and everybody else that doesn’t own a million dollar condo.
July 8, 2009 at 5:54 pm
We’re 7 comments in and nobody quoted “There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion…”?
WTF??
July 8, 2009 at 7:08 pm
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July 9, 2009 at 7:00 am
i find it rater ironic that a non-politicaly correct blog is telling people that don’t like political correctness to fuck off.
July 9, 2009 at 7:51 am
No, that’s not what I or this blog said. What I said was that many of the people that obsess about the evils of political correctness (and reverse racism, and racialism, and affirmative action) are, in fact, racist and bristling at the notion society thinks that being a racist isn’t cool.
Obviously, humans being what they are, “political correctness” is sometimes taken too far. I’ve seen it done, and when it is, we should rein it in. But at it’s root, it is about not using racist, sexist, homophobic and ethnically disparaging rhetoric and language. Not a bad thing really.
But the GOP has made a cottage industry out of pc outrage: Overreaction, impassioned screeds, disproportionate reactions, etc. And that same crew has used the “oh he’s/she’s not politically correct” label as some badge of honor for someone willing to be racist and not care whether or not it’s “politically correct.”
GOP: Let go of your hate.
July 9, 2009 at 8:37 am
Yet again, one is reminded of the Onion-esque,
July 9, 2009 at 7:14 am
In1970, I was the “victim” of reverse discrimination. I wanted to transfer to Stanford University and was told that I would be accepted, but the university gave all transfers to minorities that year so was I out of luck?
I had choices. I could continue at Caltech – not a bad school. I had been accepted to the University of Chicago – also a great place. Or I could wait a year and apply to Stanford again. So, I had to contend with one option being taken away from me.
On the other side, there were students who had dealt with lack of options – maybe every day.
White males have been swimming in a sea of advantage in this country. No wonder most of us hardly ever notice it.
July 9, 2009 at 8:14 am
Time and a word, and the word is love.
July 9, 2009 at 8:39 am
“What I said was that many of the people that obsess about the evils of political correctness (and reverse racism, and racialism, and affirmative action) are, in fact, racist and bristling at the notion society thinks that being a racist isn’t cool.”
A conclusion totally unsupported by even a shred of evidence. For all you know, the white mother in the piece could be a card-carrying Democrat and Obama voter, like many in Philadelphia.
Don’t try to use this example of racism to excuse every insane thing you liberals have perpetrated on this country, such as excluding Asian kids from colleges on the basis that they’re not oppressed enough. Reverse racism is real.
Oh, and just to remind you bleeding hearts that white people don’t have a monopoly on racism, this incident also occurred recently:
http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html
But I suppose because they’re black, their behavior is excused by centuries of oppression, right?
July 9, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Here, have a cookie.
July 9, 2009 at 3:46 pm
There’s no cyanide in it. Really! Just Pepto-Bismol. We’re *compassionate* poor menz.
July 9, 2009 at 5:18 pm
“A blind person could well be forgiven for thinking that the ladies in question were engaged in vigorous lovemaking or delivering babies based on the sounds they are making.”
Fucking genius.
July 9, 2009 at 3:48 pm
sanityinjection mainlines the truth about women grunting:
Read it here
If you dare…
July 9, 2009 at 5:19 pm
See above.
Damn threaded comments.
July 10, 2009 at 7:59 am
I get confused that way too, when I;m using a thread to… wait for it…. *needle* someone.
July 10, 2009 at 8:05 am
Anyway, let’s join forces with saniject in lobbying the Unitarian Tennis Media Coalition or whatever to insist the media stop calling it grunting.
(…cue march drill scene from Firesign Theater’s How Can You Be In Two Places At Once…):
SHRIEK ENGRISH, TROOPS!
You ain’t got no friends on the rightthat’s left!
You ain’t got no friends on the leftthat’s right!
July 13, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Hound dog, poon tang, tree frog!
July 9, 2009 at 9:18 pm
The swim club isn’t “in” Philadelphia. It’s in one of the nearby suburbs: white-flight destination and multi-decade GOP stronghold.
The kids are from Philly, though.
And yes, perhaps the white mother is a liberal Dem. Or perhaps she’s a secret member of Stormfront. Which is more likely, given her actions and words?
July 9, 2009 at 8:56 am
A conclusion totally unsupported by even a shred of evidence. For all you know, the white mother in the piece could be a card-carrying Democrat and Obama voter, like many in Philadelphia
Sure. She absolutely could have. The GOP doesn’t have a monopoly on racism. But I don’t see how that changes the fact that people obsessing about this shit are just racists stymied by their hate.
Don’t try to use this example of racism to excuse every insane thing you liberals have perpetrated on this country, such as excluding Asian kids from colleges on the basis that they’re not oppressed enough. Reverse racism is real.
I’m sorry, “we” did that? Link please.
But I suppose because they’re black, their behavior is excused by centuries of oppression, right?
No excuse. Hate and violence are hate and violence: ugly no matter the perp. But when comparing the lengthy history, and present composition, of hate and violence based on race in this country…it’s pretty one-sided.
And to focus on “reverse racism” as if that was the bigger problem, and only one worth dealing with, reveals something about the person with the monomania.
July 9, 2009 at 9:07 am
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July 9, 2009 at 9:18 am
But I suppose because they’re Black, their behavior is excused by centuries of oppression, right?
Flo Kennedy, a Black feminist civil rights attorney said ” White people expect Black people to be better than everybody else and more noble than everybody else. That would mean oppression was good for you.”
July 9, 2009 at 9:56 am
That she did. It was my honor to know her personally.
July 9, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Simon Legree, brandishing a whip:
“Boy, I;m doing this for your own good. Your grandkids will thank me.”
July 9, 2009 at 7:54 pm
I met her once too. She was an impressive woman.
July 9, 2009 at 9:21 am
People really don’t understand that the Democratic Party is really three, three, three, parties in one. Our Blue Dawgs and Catholic often ethnic-european working class union voters are still shaking out the demons of two-hundred years of racist propaganda in our country.
The Democratic Party caucuses GLBT people, non-whites, women, intellectuals, social libertarians and the working class. In order to become a majority. If you look at the history of the Democrats you’ll find that we’ll caucus just about anybody together to beat the Whigs/Federalist/English Tory Loyalist/Monarchist/Elite/Republicans.
There are more progressives in the cities, especially the coastal cities due to trade and proximity to other cultures, and more in cities in general, if you live closer to a starbuck then a walmart you’re likely a Democrat, but racism persists in every demographic. The Hutu’s and Tutsis are the same genetic people, as are the English, Irish, and Welsh it’s easy to divide poor and middle class people along any lines and sic them at each other, so that the elite may preserve their status, to the detriment of all.
Consider the European Soccer Ultras, people killing people over soccer club fan affiliation, within the same city. People will find any reason to divide into cliques, gangs, corporations and attack any other group, all to the glee of the top 10% most wealthy people. It’s a control mechanism held over from our days as serfs.
The King loves this shit.
It’s getting better thanks to inter-racial marriage and anytime multi-cultural people go out of their way to learn and spend time with people who aren’t exactly like themselves. I’m very happy to live in a city where I went to school with a pretty integrated situation. I don’t think I have two friends that are of the same exact culture/race/creed.
Self-segregation is a major hurdle even today, High School is where we practice exclusion and superiority complexes, but the fact that pop, sports, and political stars can be any race, (except asian male), is good. We have a lot of work to do. The racists are losing. Progression is just a matter of time. I never thougth Obama could win the States that he did.
How quickly or if you except it is up to the quality of our public educational system and what the culture teaches you daily about what’s superior, (Dr. Pepper) or inferior, (Mr. Pibb), when it’s all prune soda.
Most racists I’ve talked to know that they’re wrong and really don’t know why they feel the way they do, other then indoctrination. It’s why 90% of us vote the same way our parents did. Self identification must be an evolutionary expression of our individual genetics. Everyone wants to feel special. More so when you’re a child, when you grow up you see reality for what it is, and that obsession dissolves. Racists still have that childish trait.
July 9, 2009 at 12:29 pm
> but the fact that pop, sports, and political stars can be any race, (except asian male)
Oh. What about Rain(비)?
July 13, 2009 at 7:57 pm
He’s singin’ in Korean!
July 9, 2009 at 10:00 am
but the fact that pop, sports, and political stars can be any race, (except asian male), is good.
True, but…Rain?
Ichiro and Hideki Matsui count on some level, though their popularity is obviously greater in Japan. Hideo Nomo too I suppose. Bruce Lee, but he’s the outlier – though his son had a chance before he died. And, stretching a bit, Hines Ward is 50% Korean.
But, generally speaking, it is kind of odd. Especially in terms of pop and politics.
July 9, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Did we have any black stars during slavery? or in the first 75 years after Lee & grant shook hands?
First real black stars, best I can tell, were Josephine Baker and Louis Armstrong, who was Ice-T and Jimi Hendrix in one as a pop idol of blacks and whites.
It’s only been 64 years since we nuked Hiro-Saki. Wait eleven years. We don;t let people we’ve totally stomped, for whatever reason, becomes pop stars until the 75-years complete surrender/no compete clause expires.
July 9, 2009 at 4:14 pm
“Consider the European Soccer Ultras, people killing people over soccer club fan affiliation, within the same city. People will find any reason to divide into cliques, gangs, corporations and attack any other group, all to the glee of the top 10% most wealthy people. It’s a control mechanism held over from our days as serfs.
The King loves this shit.”
Whatever glee or love the wealthy 10% and the King may feel about that shit, it is no control mechanism, and it goes back to our prehominid roots.
Mammals form groups and fight, especially the males, period.
Understanding and *manipulating* it is a control mechanism.
July 10, 2009 at 8:44 am
I think allowing it to happen is a type of control mechanism when you all get together in the same colored outfit and invade the next town, and the nobles don’t spill as much blood as the serfs.
July 10, 2009 at 8:44 am
Who’s giving the orders?
July 10, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Like I said, Kleber, “understanding and *manipulating* it is a control mechanism”. The basic behavior itself is organic. Genetic culture. Humans, especially males, are into territorial boundaries and coalitional violence, primarily the males.
So smart motherfuckers take advantage of this regrettable artifact of evolution. Bad mutherfuckers. Whack their peepees, even. But they didn’t invent the behavior, and it goes back WAY before the concepts of nobles and serfs had evolved beyond dominant alpha and the rest little shytes.
July 10, 2009 at 2:43 pm
If we’re talking about the middle ages, and most of human history, the average person had no knowledge of anything outside of their province. The nobility and church directed any and all wars, as the warriors, were totally illiterate and told that if they didn’t follow God’s various ambassadors on Earth they would perish. Now, I don’t know what you consider “control” to be. Leadership is a control mechanism. The nobility believed it was their responsibly, their “divine right” to control, (they say care for), the other 99%. From the year 1 to the 1960s AD when they ended the draft. Do you know anyone who fought in the Vietnam war that knew much about the people of Vietnam that they were sent to kill? I don’t. Of course it’s about control. It’s not about democracy or liberty.
July 9, 2009 at 10:27 am
“And to focus on “reverse racism” as if that was the bigger problem, and only one worth dealing with, reveals something about the person with the monomania.”
The difference is that reverse racism is supported, encouraged, and even mandated by our laws and government, much like the pre-civil rights act South. Whereas the type of racism involved in both the Philly and Ohio incidents is discouraged and even illegal. That you find government support of an institutionalized evil to be of minor concern in comparison to isolated illegal acts is evidence of a pretty distorted worldview. It’s the same philosophy that holds that gun-rights advocates should be ashamed of making “such a big deal” out of the Second Amendment instead of focusing on the tragedies of gun-related violence. The presence of one ill in society does not mean that other ills are nonexistent or unworthy of attention.
July 9, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I’m waiting for someone to point out that reverse racism strongly implies something that is the opposite of racism.
Oh, I just did. How clever.
Typical numbnuts faux conservative 21st century wingut dumbass finesse: ‘Let’s call it reverse racism! Yeah! That’ll sell bumper stickers! Woo-hoo!’
U go gorilla.
July 9, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I’m minded of the cool title of that Jack Womack novel:
Let’s Put the Future Behind Us
But before we do that, you know, let’s reverse racism.
Forward! Into the Past!
July 9, 2009 at 10:39 am
Whereas the type of racism involved in both the Philly and Ohio incidents is discouraged and even illegal.
Is the Philly incident illegal? Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. I’d have to hear the legal case.
That you find government support of an institutionalized evil to be of minor concern in comparison to isolated illegal acts is evidence of a pretty distorted worldview.
The institutionalized evil being…what exactly? I mean, affirmative action is a remedial measure, undertaken to rectify several centuries of institutionalized slavery, bigotry and brutality. The kind that doesn’t simply evaporate – nor does its legacy – simply because MLK and the civil rights movement was able to force integration in the 1960s and 1970s.
That’s not evil.
Further, racism is not isolated. That’s the point. It’s still far too pervasive in our society, and it merits much more concern than affirmative action – an effort to undo that legacy. In my life alone, I have been repeatedly exposed to vile racism, racial violence, discrimination and other noxious acts. And I’m not even a minority!!!!
The presence of one ill in society does not mean that other ills are nonexistent or unworthy of attention.
Sure, all ills are worthy of attention. I never said otherwise. I wasn’t talking about “attention” I was talking about obsession – in fact, I specifically said that when something goes too far, it should be checked.
But, if you find yourself hyperfocused on one small issue (say, a minor wrong/inconvenience against the backdrop of enormous, cataclysmic centuries’ old wrongs), you might want to ask yourself why. The answer might be innocent enough. And then again, it might not.
July 9, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Wish my parents hadn’t given me this name – now I get blamed for everything by racist trolls.
July 9, 2009 at 12:14 pm
First of all, yes the Philly incident is illegal – breach of contract for starters, denial of access to resource into the bargain (although a private club, if the club allows non-members to use the pool it is not allowed to discriminate when doing so.)
Second, if you think affirmative action is “remedial”, you don’t understand the definition of remediation. Affirmative action doesn’t do one iota of good to any of the victims of your centuries of victimization. What it does do is to victimize a new generation from a different group in order to make the descendants of the victims feel better (like the current campaign for the US government to “apologize for slavery”.)
Black Americans today were never held as slaves. Most were never denied the right to vote or to use public facilities. Most of the problems facing urban black communities today are not derived from race but from poverty and lack of education, and are shared by whites and other ethnic groups who live under the same socioeconomic conditions. Liberals like you insist on a false dichotomy where the only alternative to refusing to admit that racism still exists is to blame racism for all of the black community’s problems and insist that it is the government’s job to take care of them. If you spent more time talking to actual black people and less to white liberals, you would realize the foolishness of this mindset. Black people are well aware of the lingering racism they face, but they are also well aware that racism is too often used as an excuse (by both blacks and whites)for everything under the sun.
However, what initially caused me to comment is your implication, which you’ve repeated, that anyone who disagrees with you is probably a racist themselves. That’s what passes for intellectual argument on the Left these days – a sloppy ad hominem which is only perpetutaed because the mainstream media is only too eager to abet it. The only way to justify your views seems to be to accuse those who question them of being evil. Sorry, but that’s not compelling to grown-ups who like to think with their brains rather than jerking their knees.
July 9, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Look. We gave you a cookie. Yes, we knew you were manipulating us, but hey, you’re kinda cute when you rear on your hind legs and whimper all interlekshul and shit.
But one is ALL you get.
July 9, 2009 at 4:00 pm
“Liberals like you”
Liberals like me too. Liberals are friendly people. We give cookies to gremlins, and spay them for free.
July 9, 2009 at 12:18 pm
undertaken to rectify several centuries of institutionalized slavery, bigotry and brutality.
Not to seem critical, but I think you forgot the murder, rape and pederasty.
July 9, 2009 at 12:38 pm
breach of contract for starters
How do you know it was a breach? The contract could have had an out without cause.
Liberals like you insist on a false dichotomy where the only alternative to refusing to admit that racism still exists is to blame racism for all of the black community’s problems and insist that it is the government’s job to take care of them.
Actually, I’ve never even suggested half as much, let alone insisted. That’s some sloppy reading comp right there. Or is it that we’re playing with stuffed animals again?
If you spent more time talking to actual black people and less to white liberals, you would realize the foolishness of this mindset. Black people are well aware of the lingering racism they face, but they are also well aware that racism is too often used as an excuse (by both blacks and whites)for everything under the sun.
Um, how do you know how many black people I speak to on the regular? I’m sorry, do I know you? You’re as foolish as you are presumptuous.
However, what initially caused me to comment is your implication, which you’ve repeated, that anyone who disagrees with you is probably a racist themselves. That’s what passes for intellectual argument on the Left these days – a sloppy ad hominem which is only perpetutaed because the mainstream media is only too eager to abet it.
Funny, you talk about “sloppy” but that wasn’t actually my argument at all. It was your sloppy reading of it.
I never said: Anybody who disagrees with me is racist. What I said was: many of those that are obsessed with reverse racism, etc. are, in fact, racist – but uncomfortable expressing themselves fully. I stand by that.
Most of the problems facing urban black communities today are not derived from race but from poverty and lack of education, and are shared by whites and other ethnic groups who live under the same socioeconomic conditions.
Yes, and said poverty and lack of education in the black community stems from…anyone? Anyone?
These conditions were created magically in a vacuum!
Forget that half a millenium that preceded it. Black Americans woke up on July 9, 2009 and found themselves (disproportionately) in a state of poverty because…well, because. No legacy effects. No ongoing racism. No COINTELPRO. Nothing.
Brilliant.
And for the record, I view affirmative action as an imperfect and temporary fix. It is getting close to outliving whatever utlity it had – but I think it did have some. I’d be open to making economic based, rather than race based.
That being said, I never got worked up about it because it seemed like the least we could do and a minor injustice regardless. That some people hyperventilate about it always struck me as odd and revealing. Far from certain about motives, what I said was:
The answer might be innocent enough. And then again, it might not.
July 9, 2009 at 12:58 pm
One more thought:
Affirmative action doesn’t do one iota of good to any of the victims of your centuries of victimization.
Why do you say “your centuries”? Are they not just “the centuries”? I mean, I’m not making them up. I’m not inventing them. My take is not exactly controversial. It’s fairly universally accepted that blacks have suffered serveral centuries of some of the most extreme brutality we’ve seen on this continent during that span (Native Americans aside).
What an odd way of putting it.
Anyway, growing up where I did, I saw affirmative action for rich white kids. Kids with inferior grades getting in to Ivy and near Ivy league schools because of wealth, power and contacts.
Funny, that never seems to raise the dander the same way, huh. Usually just gets a shrug of the shoulders – it’s the way things are supposed to work. But affirmative action that helps minorities, well then, people get all worked up about this unthinkable injustice that is just as bad as racism if not worse.
July 9, 2009 at 1:14 pm
You’re right, COINTELPRO is responsible for the plight of black America. What a crock. You’ve been reading too many conspiracy websites.
The idea that black people today who are poor and undereducated can blame that on slavery is just ridiculous. If you need proof, look at all the blacks who are NOT poor or undereducated who descend from the same conditions of slavery.
July 9, 2009 at 2:40 pm
The idea that black people today who are poor and undereducated can blame that on slavery is just ridiculous. If you need proof, look at all the blacks who are NOT poor or undereducated who descend from the same conditions of slavery.
Now there’s some serious stupid.
Which suggests that you may have a point about reverse racism. Being that stupid could only result from having been wronged by some evil conspiracy.
July 9, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Let me rephrase that.
You may well be the victim of some vast nebulous conspiracy, but it’s not the one you think it is.
July 9, 2009 at 4:10 pm
I always wanted to be a vast nebulous conspiracy, but all I could muster was nebulous.
Pull my finger on the works, ye Mighty, and despair!
July 9, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I taught school for 20 years and one of my favorite subjects was history. I believe quite a few of the younger people today have not had a good first hand dose of it. It is often times easy to overlook, or just not see the inequality around us if we have never experienced it or read about what has happened. My parents were avidly against racism in the 60′s and worked for civil rights. There are so many people that believe that everything was resolved then. Things really haven’t changed an awful lot except that the sugar coating has hidden what is inside of the garbage truck. Let’s reeducate this generation and open up the wounds so they can appreciate what is continuing to happen out there. Let’s also monitor what we each say and do so that we can change our own bad habits concerning racism and bigotry.
July 9, 2009 at 1:35 pm
You’re right, COINTELPRO is responsible for the plight of black America. What a crock. You’ve been reading too many conspiracy websites.
Yeah, um, actually I was referring to recently declassified CIA and FBI documents that detail the extent to which both agencies were used to breakdown the civil rights movement in America by targeting top leadership and others involved (using methods like illegal surveilance). There have also been lawsuits that have produced some of this evidence fyi.
But then, I happen to know some of those involved in that same Civil Rights movement personally – some of the targets themselves (file those under the people that I would be better off talking to instead of all my white liberal friends).
I suggest you read the documents that your very own government released. Could do you some good. That program was very real, and it affected very real people. Now you can read all about it on taxpayer stationary.
That being said, I never suggested that black America’s plight is the result of COINTELPRO alone – but then, you seem incapable of any argument beyond straw.
The US government’s targeting of top civil rights and community leaders did not have a positive effect. What the black community was left with were the likes of Al Sharpton and others that were less threatening and also, well, less effective.
The idea that black people today who are poor and undereducated can blame that on slavery is just ridiculous. If you need proof, look at all the blacks who are NOT poor or undereducated who descend from the same conditions of slavery.
First of all, it’s not just slavery. You think when slavery ended in 1865, black Americans got a fair shake? An equal shake? A separate but equal shake?
There was pervasive, oppressive, institutionalized racism in America long after slavery. Jim Crow perhaps? The KKK?
Even still, that is an incredibly weak logical argument when looking at sociological factors affecting groups. This is not a debate about absolutes: either no black Americans can succeed, or all black Americans have exactly the same shot as white Americans – legacy be damned.
So pointing to success stories does not change the game.
The truth is, black Americans have been – more often than not at least through the past century or so – starting out with a disadvantage, have had to deal with potent racism and have themselves internalized that racism to some extent. Humans are like that.
Plus, poverty is a bitch to break out of, and the vast majority of black Americans started out as freed slaves (thus, poor as dirt and sharecropping). Some have been able to overcome these enormous obstacles, others are still stuck in the cycle. But I would hardly look at black Americans and think, “what’s the big deal, you’re not slaves anymore”!!
And no, I don’t get that reticence from my white liberal friends.
July 9, 2009 at 1:54 pm
To clarify: recently declassified CIA docs highlighted that agency’s role, while the FBI’s role has been a matter of the public record for longer. And the CIA wasn’t officially involved in COINTELPRO, but they were conducting their own, parallel domestic operations (which was ostensibly outside of its purview).
July 9, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Oh my God the man on the radio said sorry to black people!!! Help help I’m being oppressed!!!
Never mind. I’m sure that SI is *exactly* as bothered by the phenomenon of legacy admissions as he is by affirmative action.
Isn’t he?
And if he isn’t, why not?
July 9, 2009 at 4:06 pm
“Affirmative action doesn’t do one iota of good to any of the victims of your centuries of victimization. What it does do is to victimize a new generation from a different group in order to make the descendants of the victims feel better (like the current campaign for the US government to “apologize for slavery”.)”
Congratulations! You are surely the first wingnut to realize that Affirmative Action is really NOT a secret conspiracy to build a time machine, fly Airwolf back in time to the days of early colonial chattel slavery, and bomb the frying frickeundfracke out of all them early aspiring slaveowners, thus preemptively — PREEMPTIVELY, I tell you! — eliminating slavery at the very root, and rewriting history! Which good, because otherwise the very fabric of space and time would be altered, and we wouldn’t even be here to argue with your sill — OOPS! (*!pop!*)
July 9, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Yes, legacy admissions are a serious socioeconomic problem facing our nation. Are you for real? See the original poster’s point about monomania.
I hate to break it to you, but there aren’t a whole heck of a lot of “legacy admissions” anymore, if you mean people who aren’t qualified. Of course, in your worldview it’s not possible for a white male intelligent enough to get into Harvard on merit to have a wite male son who’s also intelligent enough to get into Harvard on merit. No, it must be racism at work.
Seriously, I encourage you to spend a day protesting in front of the school of your choice with a big sign that says “LEGACY ADMISSIONS = RACISM”. I’ll personally nominate you for the next NAACP Image Award.
July 9, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Legacy Admission Equal Racims?
You can;t even get your slogans right. According to what you are apparently *trying* to say (help him, Doughbob!), the slogan would be Legacy Admission Equals Discrimination.
Unless, of course, one knew the English language, in which case it would be Legacy Admission Equals Nepotism.
July 10, 2009 at 4:17 am
Yes, the best way to respond to a challenge is to lie about what the other guy said.
Hate to break it to you, but yes there fucking well are.
If you like, please point to the sentence in which I said that legacy admissions equal racism.
Oh, it turns out you can’t?
July 9, 2009 at 2:58 pm
American trees bear strange fruit,
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root,
White bodies swinging in the liberal breeze,
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees.
A pastoral scene in the suburb lies,
The twisted mouth and the bulging eyes,
Scent of apple pie, sweet and fresh,
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh.
Here is fruit for the crows to pluck,
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck,
For the sun to rot, for the trees to drop,
Here is a strange and bitter crop.
July 9, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I think we all need to sit down and look at a kitten picture or two. AHEM!
July 9, 2009 at 3:51 pm
I have to agree that affirmative action for white middle class males has not done them or our country one iota of good. It’s tended to make them arrogant and in many cases intellectually stunted. Our country has been victimized for 8 disastrous years by an administration run by a beneficiary of this misguided policy.
July 9, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Jebus, The Editors, do I have to draw you a fukn map?! KITTEENNZZZ!!! WE NEEEEED KITTENZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!
July 9, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Yeah, well. I grew up in the politically-correct nirvana of Greenwich Village, where most of my friends’ parents moved because they weren’t likely to be beaten up by random passersby for being someone’s parents. A considerably safer place to be if you weren’t Just Like (whoever) Us (is) than, say, the badlands of (what nobody called) SoHo (yet).
Then Mr. Koch came into office. And we were going to reclaim the city for all those folks who were fleeing for the suburbs. And we got co-ops. My best friends’ family and mine got co-ops in the same building.
Only our dad was a yankee-irish school teacher and theirs was an african-american fireman. And we lived down the block from a police station. And if they hung out on the stoop in our newly prestigious neighborhood, they got rousted. Unless we were hanging out with them, in which case they were apparently less-scary eleven and nine year old children.
That whole line of argument makes me fucking tired. The greatest social crime is not making you look at the rotting corpse of your soul. It’s letting you go out into the world not realizing that the stench of decay is making passersby dizzy.
Think of it as the cosmic equivalent of spinach on your teeth, only with added unfitness to join the human race.
July 9, 2009 at 9:42 pm
julia, we’re on it. The cookie we gave him was a urinal deodorant. Eau du gingersnap.
July 9, 2009 at 9:48 pm
I know it’s a sign of sentimental weakness to feed real and accurate data to a wingnut, even a dangerous indulgence, since they so often choke on them like a dog on a chicken bone, but:
“Legacy preferences or legacy admission is a type of preference given by educational institutions to certain applicants on the basis of their familial relationship to alumni of that institution. (Students so admitted are referred to as legacies or legacy students.) There is a long history of this practice at American universities and colleges. The Ivy League institutions are estimated to admit 10% to 15% of each entering class based upon this factor.[1]
Former Harvard University president Lawrence Summers has stated, “Legacy admissions are integral to the kind of community that any private educational institution is.” In the 1998 book The Shape of the River: Long-Term Consequences of Considering Race in College and University Admissions, authors William G. Bowen, former Princeton University president, and Derek Bok, former Harvard University president, found “the overall admission rate for legacies was almost twice that for all other candidates.“
July 10, 2009 at 5:35 am
Right, but the assumption being made is that they are unqualified and wouldn’t have gotten in otherwise. That’s what I’m disputing. Sorry if that simple point sailed over your head. I know it’s tough having to actually think for a change instead of just being able to preen in the reflection of your own worldview comfortably reflected back at you all the time.
In any case, it’s clear that you’re all more interested in chasing each other’s tails than opening your minds, so I’ll leave you to it.
July 10, 2009 at 6:28 am
Dude, I’m telling you from firsthand experience. I went to high school with kids whose grades and SATs were inferior – by a good margin. They had no special skills, other than being born into shitloads of money. And so they went to ivy league schools or other top notch institutions ahead of other kids with much better academic credentials but less pull.
That is not an assumption, that is reality. Staring me right in the face. And it wasn’t just my grade. That was the freakin MO in my town for years and years and years. And you know what? Go to any rich burb in Connecticut, Jersey, Long Island or Westchester (or other regions of the country), and that story is repeated ad nauseum.
And you accuse us of having closed minds? Sweet Jeebus, you’re willfully blind and deliberately dense and seemingly proud of it. Good for you. Way to achieve.
July 10, 2009 at 6:31 am
Even a non-intellectual like me can see that you’re kind of a dick.
You seem to now be arguing that affirmative action results in UNqualified people to obtain jobs, because all the qualified people happened to be white.
What about the recent study at MIT, showing that when identical resumes are submitted for jobs, one with a “white-sounding” name, and one with a “black-souding” name, the white resumes were 50% more likely to get a response. Identical resumes, dude.
http://www.imdiversity.com/Villages/Careers/articles/hicks_name_discrimination.asp
No, there’s no discrimination anymore, nope.
July 10, 2009 at 7:15 am
SI is an intellectual only in that word’s increasingly common meaning of “wanker.”
July 10, 2009 at 8:00 am
Right, but the assumption being made is that they are unqualified and wouldn’t have gotten in otherwise
You mean, like this most recently exposed example, mm?
July 10, 2009 at 6:50 am
“I know it’s tough having to actually think for a change instead of just being able to preen in the reflection of your own worldview comfortably reflected back at you all the time.”
You… know…shit. It’s a fact. I saw it on the Oprah-O’Reilly Variety Show.
July 10, 2009 at 7:05 am
I’m also impressed by saniject’s seeming willingness to believe that progeny of former Harvard grads scored, in effect, twice as high as the rest. Not that such a thing is mathematically possible on the testing scale, but that “twice as much as all other candidates” implies, if we remove nepotism, that these candidates were somehow doubly qualified to be admitted based on their academic qualifications alone.
I also find it interesting that it (saniject) doesn’t consider that when academics of long-standing say things like, “the overall admission rate for legacies was almost twice that for all other candidates“, their colleagues know that ‘all other things being equal’ is automatically applied.
Maybe it thinks these guys are as dumb as it is?
See (borrowing from another recently popular thread), this acko jacko guy may have been kinda creepy in the way only uber-rich folks can be, but in the end he was just a silly pop star, an exceptionally gifted narcissist.
He had virtually no declared political import, his only well known message regard human affairs en masse was to try and feed starving children if you can at least get a buncha pop stars together and sell records to pay for gruel.
But creepy creatures like saniject dare project serious political opinions on a web site famous enough that I learned of it by a William Gibson recommendation.
This makes him not just creepy, but also malignant.
July 10, 2009 at 9:15 am
Right, but the assumption being made is that they are unqualified and wouldn’t have gotten in otherwise.
Or, Is our Yalies learning?
July 10, 2009 at 1:00 pm
I they larnin’? Or is they just trying to pass themselves off as ‘High Yaler’?
July 10, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Don’t misunderestimate them.
July 10, 2009 at 10:18 am
That’s why we support State Universities and other forms of public education. University of Virginia, North Carolina, Texas, UCLA, Cal Poly, CIT, MIT, the UC and CSU system, all compare favorably to Private Universities.
July 10, 2009 at 12:02 pm
The SI’s of America will cling to their “arguments” no matter what.
July 10, 2009 at 12:58 pm
God I love trolls. They act all noble and we get to stick our peasant pitchforks in ‘em.
Fun.
July 10, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Now I see via TPM that SI’s posterboy in Teh Struggle Against Reverse Racism, Frank Ricci, is himself the beneficiary of preferential treatment (got his FD job due to his dyslexia).
The irony is so ironic.
But we’re just piling on now. Curv3 gets credit for the sack, with SI penalized 15 more yards for improper use of neurons.
Can we get an eclectic vid from Kleber while we roll credits? I nominate the audio to Peorgie’s poem. (according to wiki, one of Billie’s band members later said that she broke down after every time she sang this)
July 10, 2009 at 1:52 pm
“The irony is so ironic.”
Yet scarcely enjoyable since so dang predictable. Hypocrisy always sees itself backwards in its mirror.
July 10, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Roll em’
July 10, 2009 at 1:56 pm
No wingnuts were harmed in the making of this movie, despite their frequent self-abuse.
July 10, 2009 at 2:19 pm
‘Frequency’ by IQ – live at De Boerderij Holland, 01/12/07 from IQHQ on Vimeo.
http://www.iq-hq.co.uk/index.html
July 10, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Drinks on the house!
July 10, 2009 at 3:20 pm
I’ll be damn. David Letterman’s one of the judges!
July 10, 2009 at 7:13 pm
I loved Gene, and no one promoted the wonders of cocaine better than Mr. Barris. Whether he snorted the shit or not.
July 10, 2009 at 7:30 pm
What would the world have been like without cocaine in the ’70s? We may never know.
July 10, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Your use of the word “may” suggests to me that there is hope via massive doses of psychedelic hallucinogens yet.
Let us all hold hands now and dance around the hyperspace where once there was this troll…
July 10, 2009 at 6:12 pm
I know a guy who knew he’d be making VP at a large company (if only he didn’t screw up), way back when he was in college. And the guy who got him there knew he’d make COO at that place back in high school. Must be nice if your friends old man is owed a big favor by a mucky muck, especially if you and your friend are married with children but secret lovers as well. Saucy. …or not, that last part, if your gate doesn’t swing that way, I dunno. But I digress.
I’m hereby proposing that the best counter to affirmative action would be to ask the white insiders, nepotists, goodoleboyismists, anall, to please include some black pofolks in on their good times. Then, we’ll ask the new black insiders, nepotists, goodoleboyismists, anall, to please include some asian pofolks in on their good times. And so on. With this proposed new cronyism love engine of mine, we will ensure that we “victimize a new generation from a different group” each in turn, which will lead to a brighter future for us all. Thank you for your support.
July 10, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Equal Opportunity Ponzi Schemes are the MLMs of liberal fascism.
July 10, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Yeah,
just like a thousand other stories I read in my local newspaper! How outrageous! Indeed, I call for another Stimulus Package to CORRECT this mess! Damn, you, Previous Adminitration. Damn you…
July 10, 2009 at 6:41 pm
My CRAPITALIZATION will be moderated apparently…
July 10, 2009 at 7:40 pm
I have a serious proposal. No, really. The United States Senate must be abolished. Fuck it. It was a stupid idea from the start.
July 10, 2009 at 7:58 pm
So the mice gathered in the House to discuss how to curb the steady predations of the Fat Cats. After much discussion, a bill was passed to make those Fat Cats pay.
From outside the chamber, the voice of Professor Irwin Corey echoed from the rotunda, asking, “Yes, but who will Bill the Cats?”
July 10, 2009 at 8:12 pm
WTF? Now that is offensive. Do not fuck with Bill The Cat.
July 10, 2009 at 8:17 pm
It was a metaphor. I was trying to find a way to Spoonerize a pun: Kill the Bat, but you guys are too smart to believe that cat is spelled with a K.
So I went off on a semiotics tangent, because a) I got the power and b) I am a liberal faskist.
July 10, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Though, to my satisfaction, Breathed said in an Onion interview, “If you’ll read the subtext for many of those old strips, you’ll find the heart of an old-fashioned Libertarian. And I’d be a Libertarian, if they weren’t all a bunch of tax-dodging professional whiners.”
Most satisfying indeed. That is the best description of your average Libertarian I’ve read since “wanna hump the gold standard while Atlas shrugs”.
July 10, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Surfing the Winds of Change:
You Are the Nuts Beneath My Wings
July 10, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Not sure what the whole deal is… but the vintage Fenders are totally awesome!
July 10, 2009 at 8:00 pm
And they play nice for a bunch of old dudes.
July 11, 2009 at 1:24 pm
I grew up in a rich white burb (of NYC mind you, not Alabama or Mississippi). And by white, I mean police-enforced, purest white.
OK, as a refugee from North Garden State, I should be able to narrow this down….
Glen Rock? Ridgewood? Essex Fells?
Of course, it could have been on Long Island, with which I am not familiar.
July 12, 2009 at 6:35 am
cory: the region with which you are not familiar.
July 11, 2009 at 4:15 pm
[...] Guess Chlorine Can’t Kill Those Germs [...]
July 12, 2009 at 8:24 am
If the Vice President want’s to have a secret Executive Death Squad, it’s none of my business. And that’s just the way that I feel1!!1
OMG, My Littly Pony’s are exploding out of my giant, fat, cock….
July 12, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Me laff. Is funny.
July 12, 2009 at 9:49 am
July 12, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Oh that progressive rock of Jesus, that holds me in its loving arms like hair spray on a redneck’s coiffure.
But… electric guitars? What’s next? Synthesized kazoo? Blasphemers.
July 12, 2009 at 4:35 pm
I’m just glad to see Lurch found work after being let go from the Munster’s. Note the perfect precision of the front teeth gap. You don’t see professionalism like that these days.
Those suits coordinate perfectly with my grandma’s kitchen decor ca 1974.
July 12, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Funny you mentioned 74, because that was like my exact read on that time frame.
The tooth gap is obviously one of God’s blessings.
I have watched this video 5-10 times today, never fail to smile and laugh, and have been singing this tune, throughout the day, like a Munchkin turned down to 16 rpm.
July 12, 2009 at 9:33 pm
I present to youThe Addams Family of Gospel
July 13, 2009 at 12:26 am
As the first black blogger, I am too offended. Now I don’t know what that means grammatically, I leave it to the editors to figure… In inycase this is ridiucluse. aTHt a spider, very poisonious. Somewhere… Anod another thing…
I call congreSionnal hearing. ANything to distract from what is really happening. That is the white race standing on black rights yet again (htank you Unkl Tom) I mean pres, fisrt man!
To let this little thing get in the way of our first chance to show it to the masters? Haha! You must be small minded indeeed!
Curvy, I question your genetic heritage (I mean you aren’t even a quatrian) you can still vote…
Anyhow, for all of uz that don’t know and still can do… Y’know in Main or Washington… Y’know, we there fo’ you bro’
Feelin’ it and such.
I am dead tired of working. I can speak English. You are an idiot.
I channel the voices, I don’t tell them what to say…
July 13, 2009 at 12:29 am
As an aside, Chlorine gas is what the nAZIs used in their previous incarnation that started this whole mess. Thank you, Woodrow… You god famous democrat who first flirted with the idea of a one world gov’t….
July 13, 2009 at 2:32 am
I am so glad my Tab finger hasn’t gotten tired…
July 13, 2009 at 2:35 am
I love curv3ball’s insensitivity… That’s waht keps me cuming on his back….
July 13, 2009 at 10:33 am
I just lurve how people act as if Jim Crow was so long ago: I am still a “kid”, and I’m married to a woman who was born in a white only hospital: well, not quite white-only because my wife is African-American. But she only was born their because her father was an immigrant (from Jamaica), an engineer and real estate agent and friend of an attending physician at said hospital. Her mother’s family didn’t even visit her mother because they were (with good reason) afraid to even visit someone in a white only hospital.
And why do we live in a building that is a shlep from everything? Because when my wife decided to settle into one place (before we met) and buy (into a co-op), she was steered away from almost all of the other co-ops because the boards would reject someone of her complex, er, someone who might not “fit in” with the other residents.
This is not in an NYC suburb — this is within NYC itself (Queens, but still …)! And not that long ago.
But I guess, since NYC is a liberal, Democratic place, this just means that Democrats and liberals are the real racists or some such missing the point that, folks, racism is, alas, alive if not well.
July 13, 2009 at 10:49 am
real estate brokers in my town would refuse to show homes to black applicants.
July 14, 2009 at 5:56 am
I grew up in the 60s a 4-county area (at least) in NE Indiana where there was not a single black family living, I imagine because brokers wouldn’t show them homes.
My first encounter with a black person didn’t come until I was 19. My friend’s car had a flat in a mall parking lot, and Sears auto center sent a huge young black guy out with us with a tire iron. It was freezing, and he had no coat, nor gloves to hang onto the cold tire rim. I was afraid his flesh was going to stick to the rim, so I offered him my gloves, but he declined to take them. When we were driving home, I asked my friend why the guy wouldn’t take my gloves, when he had to be suffering. My friend said, “He didn’t wanna get your white honky shit all over his hands! Would you take gloves from a n*****? I replied, “If I was changing a tire in freezing weather, yeah.”
I guess those are the two ways of looking at it.
July 13, 2009 at 11:53 am
Black Americans today were never held as slaves. Most were never denied the right to vote or to use public facilities.
Because Ohio in 2004 and Florida in 2000 never happened?
Like DAS, I grew up with Jim Crow: I couldn’t invite my black friends from school to join my at our Country Club pool, and while playing in said pool had a classmate tell me that slavery was the ideal situation for Negroes because they couldn’t take care of themselves anyway, and without coming to these blessed shores how would they have ever learned about the Baby Jesus? My sister and I were both grounded by our folks for wanting to date black guys (not as a group, but particular guys we happened to be attracted to at that particular moment); and, though the student body was half black, there were only two black teachers in our school: both taught PE, and both were subject to merciless harassment by students who knew there would be no consequences (though Mr. Palmatier’s aerated wooden paddle awaited anyone who treated the white teachers with anything but military respect).
And yet it is somehow it is always the blacks who are condemned for refusing to let go of the past, when it’s generally a very specific type of white male who can’t get over his loss of über alles-ness:
July 13, 2009 at 11:55 am
Trying to post that picture again:
If you can’t see it, click here.
July 16, 2009 at 9:55 am
I play poker online and my avatar is a cartoon image of a black dude. As a result many people assume I am black although I happen not to be.
Another thing many people do? Call me “nigger”. Happens all the time. I stack some fool and it comes right out, “Fuck you nigger!”. Happens ALL the time.
Yeah, there’s no racism anymore.
July 17, 2009 at 1:48 pm
As I always say, there are black avatars and there are n**ger avatars, it all depends on…
July 23, 2009 at 7:31 am
Blame it on the a-a-a-a a-alcohol.