This is funny. Not funny “ha ha” but funny in an “our war propagandists say the darndest things” kind of way.
Just how often has the U.S. and NATO killed the Taliban in groups of 30 during 2009? The answer may surprise you:
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But the much more important point remains: how could we possibly have any idea how the war is going, here or anywhere else, when the bad guys seem only to die in groups of 30? The sheer ubiquity of that number in fatality and casualty counts is astounding, to the point where I don’t even pay attention to a story anymore when they use that magic number 30. It is an indicator either of ignorance or deliberate spin… but no matter the case, whenever you see the number 30 used in reference to the Taliban, you should probably close the tab and move onto something else, because you just won’t get a good sense of what happened there.
Toot fans might recall another interesting run-in with the number 30 and the topic of airstrikes. 30, it appears, is the new black:
In a grisly calculus known as the “collateral damage estimate,” U.S. military commanders and lawyers often work together in advance of a military strike, using very specific, Pentagon-imposed protocols to determine whether the good that will come of it outweighs the cost.
We don’t know much about how it works, but in 2007, Marc Garlasco, the Pentagon’s former chief of high-value targeting, offered a glimpse when he told Salon magazine that in 2003, “the magic number was 30.” That meant that if an attack was anticipated to kill more than 30 civilians, it needed the explicit approval of then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld or President George W. Bush. If the expected civilian death toll was less than 30, the strike could be OKd by the legal and military commanders on the ground.
My guess, and it’s nothing more than uninformed conjecture, is that there is probably some other test in terms of ratio of Taliban to civilians, such that 30/30 keeps the trigger pullers from any unnecessary paperwork. Which is a total drag, and a costly distraction from the morally uplifting and vital task of liberating the Afghan people, 30 at a time.
See, also.
December 9, 2009 at 5:03 pm
At the very least, this is an egregious violation of Benford’s Law.
December 9, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Any student of elementary statistics knows that 30 is the most important number. It is the magical boundary between small and large. Just like 0.95 is the magical boundary between insignificant and significant.
December 9, 2009 at 7:30 pm
‘Cuz Junior would get all pissy if they left him out of all the fun.
December 9, 2009 at 8:01 pm
The U.S. empire’s math is merely emulating the great Roman empire’s math: no concept of zero.
December 9, 2009 at 8:26 pm
It is necessary to kill in multiples of 30 if we are to defeat H.Y.D.R.A..
December 9, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Guess what. Googling C. H. A. O. S. brings up nothing. Huh.
December 10, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Google knows what’s good for it.
December 11, 2009 at 9:18 am
Sadly, I know off the top of my head that it is spelled, “KAOS.”
December 10, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Is that Kirby or Buscema? I can usually tell, but maybe I’m getting too old.
December 11, 2009 at 7:16 am
It’s Jim Steranko.
December 11, 2009 at 11:01 am
Jim Steranko is a total player in the comics biz- even in his 70′s he’s pimp. He used to be a pro body builder and had a whole host of other jobs. He’s an amazing artist and story teller- often imitated, never outdone. He talked my ear off at a con not too long ago.
December 9, 2009 at 10:06 pm
December 10, 2009 at 8:44 pm
I may not know art, but I know what I like.
December 10, 2009 at 6:09 am
And if the number was exactly 30? Well, then it could be approved by anyone! Magic number, indeed.
December 11, 2009 at 8:16 am
A donut hole, as it were.
December 10, 2009 at 6:36 am
[...] "Curv3ball" (not his real name) wants to make a big deal out of how the US is always killing exactly thirty people in Afghanistan, like the only possible explanations were suspicious. If he loved his country more than he loved [...]
December 10, 2009 at 8:36 am
Fear prevents me from clicking this link. Besides, it’s more fun to imagine how that sentence completes.
December 10, 2009 at 9:50 am
you’d have to be pretty good to guess how THAT sentence completes. growwwlff.
December 10, 2009 at 8:47 pm
…Cat Dancing?
December 11, 2009 at 4:51 am
I’m disappointed to find out that “Curv3ball” is not your real name.
Next you’re going to tell me you don’t use quotes around it either.
December 11, 2009 at 8:17 am
like the same explanation over and over again ISN’T?
December 11, 2009 at 8:17 am
isn’t suspicious, I mean
December 10, 2009 at 8:07 am
The ultimate attack would be one that kills 30 Taliban fighters and Al-Qaida’s 3rd-in-Command.
December 10, 2009 at 8:43 am
pure gold Major.
December 10, 2009 at 10:54 am
No no no!
Kills 30 Taliban fighters, EACH of which is Al-Qaida’s 3rd in command.
We must be up to thirty of them now, so why not?
December 11, 2009 at 8:18 am
They’re ALL 3rd in command, DUH.
December 10, 2009 at 8:29 am
Is that why all the chicks keep saying they’re 29?
December 10, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I guess “30″ is the new, statistically-vetted body count.
Well, statisticians want to be useful in the war effort, too, y’know….
December 10, 2009 at 4:33 pm
You do know that in civilized countries they’re not allowed to knowlingly kill civilians at all, right? The head of the German army just stepped down because he ok’ed an airstrike where he “knew civilians could be killed.” We have a formula for how many civilians we think we are going to kill. We have now ceded moral authority to Germany. Nice.
December 10, 2009 at 7:12 pm
They’re everywhere!
December 10, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Holy shit!
December 10, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Bronco investigates a planned train wreck that killed one of his best friends.
That one certainly seems suspicious.
December 10, 2009 at 7:35 pm
We have now ceded moral authority to
Germanythe boche. Nice.December 10, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Pop quiz!
The Washington Post employs an “editor” named:
(a) Sunset Winterhalter
(b) Autumn Brewington
(c) Winter Brauenstein
(d) Moon de’Fromage
(e) Morning Woodstein
December 10, 2009 at 8:50 pm
I know! I know! What is “Cassanova Frankenstein?”
What do I win?
December 10, 2009 at 10:26 pm
You win an effete British superhero and a lifetime supply og titanium cutlery!
December 10, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Augustus Google?
December 11, 2009 at 4:54 am
Biggus Dickus?
ha ha, trick answer. That’s not a WaPo editor’s name; it’s Hiatt’s nickname.
December 11, 2009 at 7:10 am
The answer is the same name as the new amber ale produced by Bell’s after their Oktoberfest run.
December 11, 2009 at 9:07 am
(f) SeeAlice Blackwater
(sorry, the spamfilter is killing the actual spelling, which includes a CIA)
December 12, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Pellucida Kaffeemacher?
December 14, 2009 at 7:07 am
OK, OK, it’s really Mari-vanna Puffington, right?
Or maybe Vibria de Colon?
December 10, 2009 at 10:10 pm
And I’m 30 yrs of age. This is freaking me out, man!
December 11, 2009 at 6:55 am
I call bullshit. I doubt it happens with any statistical significance.
And frankly, I’m really surprised to see TPMI engaging in baseless speculation about something so serious and consequential. Shocked, actually.
December 11, 2009 at 11:11 am
[...] The 30/30 Club [...]
December 13, 2009 at 2:35 am
[...] impresses me with his wide linkage across the spectrum of intelligence and sense) has linked to an instant-classic by the mysterious and avuncular Curv3ball, hisownself. That blockage, by the way, I am convinced [...]
December 14, 2009 at 7:39 am
…mysterious and avuncular… heavy words. curv3ball must feel proud.
I wish I could be mysteriously avuncular.
I’m more Uncle Walker:
December 14, 2009 at 8:18 am
Some might say Dick Cheney was ‘mysteriously avuncular’, especially after one too many egg nogs. Oh, and keep that 40.06 out of his hands.
December 24, 2009 at 6:27 pm
yemen kills 30!
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/24/yemen.airstrike/