Daniel Larison, 1/31/2010:
The “massacre” at Racak was a key part of Clinton’s justification for intervening. The massacre was staged by the KLA. It never happened.
Human Rights Watch, 1/29/1999:
Human Rights Watch today categorically rejected Yugoslav government claims that the victims of the January 15 attack on Racak were either Kosovo Liberation Army soldiers killed in combat, or civilians caught in crossfire.
After a detailed investigation, the organization accused Serbian special police forces and the Yugoslav army of indiscriminately attacking civilians, torturing detainees, and committing summary executions. The evidence suggests that government forces had direct orders to kill village inhabitants over the age of fifteen.
Institute for War & Peace Reporting, report of day 161 of Milosevic war crimes trial:
Though pressed by the accused, Dr. [Helena] Ranta [Finnish forensics expert cited by Milosevic in his defense] refused to give an opinion on whether the killings occurred in battle or in a massacre. That, she said, is something the court will have to decide based on the evidence. How then, Milosevic demanded, can you describe the events at Racak as the killing of unarmed civilians? The doctor, trained to be precise, corrected his characterization of what she said. “There were no indications of people being other than unarmed civilians. I said nothing more or less than that.” [...]
Milosevic also spent considerable time trying to establish that the dead people were KLA fighters. Dr. Ranta held to her conclusion that there was nothing to indicate they were anything besides civilians. Milosevic produced a photograph of a grave of a KLA soldier killed in Racak on January 15, 1999. However, as Judge May pointed out, the presence of KLA at Racak is not contested. Last June, KLA Commander Shukri Buja testified that about 45 KLA soldiers were billeted near Racak. In the early morning hours of January 15, they underwent a surprise attack by Serbian forces that left 8 to 10 KLA soldiers dead with 8 more wounded. Having lost such a substantial part of their force, the KLA withdrew. According to KLA rules, they took their dead with them. Following the KLA withdrawal, forty-one villagers were killed, twenty of them in a nearby gully. It was these twenty who were the subject of Dr. Ranta’s investigations and her testimony to the Court.
While Dr. Ranta would not provide a definitive answer about whether they were killed in battle or were executed, she was clear that the scene was not staged.
Daniel Larison, 1/31/2010:
There is no evidence that there was a systematic or extensive policy of ethnic cleansing in the works. [...] Clinton portrayed intervention as something he did grudgingly to halt genocide, but there was no genocide to halt.
Human Rights Watch, 2/1/1999:
This report documents serious violations of international humanitarian law committed by Serbian and Yugoslav government forces in Kosovo’s Drenica region during the last week of September 1998. As Yugoslav President Slobodan Miloševic wrapped up a summer-long offensive against the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), special forces of the Serbian police (MUP) and Yugoslav Army (VJ) committed summary executions, indiscriminately attacked civilians, and systematically destroyed civilian property, all of which are violations of the rules of war and can be prosecuted by the International War Crimes Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY). These atrocities took place in the face of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1199, passed on September 23, 1998, which demanded an immediate cessation of all actions by the Yugoslav and Serbian security forces against civilians.
International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights, 3/30/1999:
The capital of Kosovo, Prishtina, and its Albanian population is surrounded and under threat of being crushed from all sides by Serbian forces and militias. Parts of town are ablaze as is the case with scores of other towns in Kosovo. According to reports reaching the IHF, residents indicate that they are afraid to leave the burning city for fear of apprehension by death squads and other groups that extort monies in return for safe passage. A reign of systematic, state-sponsored terror by Serbian militias has taken hold all over Kosovo, apparently in retaliation for the on-going NATO air strikes on Serbian military targets, a program of terror that has been threatened explicitly beforehand by high Serbian officials. [...]
These pre-planned murders represent an attack upon the future of Kosovo, and can only be compared to the most inhumane cases of Nazi or Stalinist terror.
Jeffrey Fleishman and Lori Montgomery, Knight-Ridder, 4/9/1999:
SKOPJE, Macedonia. More than three months before NATO launched airstrikes against Serbian targets, Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic was readying a fresh offensive against ethnic Albanians in Kosovo.
As early as December, Serb special police and sinister paramilitary units quietly began to infiltrate Serbia’s southern province. Ignoring an October deal for peace, Milosevic massed Interior Ministry police and Yugoslav army troops in Kosovo and along its northern border in numbers far beyond those allowed by the cease-fire plan.By mid-March, Serb forces had wired tunnels and bridges on the main southern highway with dynamite, and Serbian civilians had armed themselves to the teeth.
The long buildup to Yugoslavia’s ferocious campaign in Kosovo puts the lie to both Milosevic’s claim that the NATO attack spurred the ethnic Albanians’ exodus and to NATO claims of surprise at how quickly Yugoslav forces have moved.
Maybe it takes information longer to reach Conservatopia, due to gravity or whatnot. I could never get my head around that stuff.
February 6, 2010 at 7:22 pm
The sheer volume of information here on these internets is terrifying for anyone. Imagine if you will, a GPS system run along similar lines- you reach an intersection, and the system instructs you to turn right. A second system instructs you to continue straight. (This is something that really happened to me, riding in a car, in contact with another GPS-equipped car by cell phone, precipitating an argument between the drivers. I politely suggested they both STFU and follow one, or the other, but not both, which, I’ve been given to realize, makes me a DFH socialist who believes Big GPS is the solution to all our problems.) Now to make things even more interesting, envision a third system (call it “ConservNav”) instructing you to stop in the middle of the intersection, plunge your head into your rectum, and go fuck yourself until you can drown the other system in the bathtub.
Such are our intertubes. I can haz a dumptruck instead?
February 6, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Maybe it takes information longer to reach Conservatopia, due to gravity or whatnot.
Early theories postulated that it was the increased density of conservative skulls that slowed the passage of facts and ideas. But conservatives are able to receive certain ideas – health care is a government takeover of our death panels, for example, or the best way to reduce the deficit is to cut taxes – and retransmit them almost instantaneously to other conservatives.
So new research is looking at inherent properties of the ideas themselves for an explanation. It may appear that conservative brains are of the wrong polarity for “truthful” or “correct” ideas.
February 6, 2010 at 8:13 pm
I have nothing substantive or funny to add, and I’m probably kind of late on this, but I just wanted to express my unmitigated happiness that The Editors is (are?) posting on a regular basis again. Woohoo!
February 6, 2010 at 8:25 pm
But information has a well known liberal bias.
February 6, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Er, dude, genocide/ethnic cleansing =/= a dirty counterinsurgency war. Nothing you’ve cited to contradict Larison’s second point does so – particularly citing the International Helsinki Federation for Human Rights report of events after the NATO strikes commenced, which you amusingly think justifies the decision to make those strikes. Must be some kind of time-tunneling thing.
Well, I guess that Knight-Ridder story might; unfortunately the bit you quote is entirely sourced to anonymous administration officials. Hey, remember when anonymous administration officials were giving us all that neat info on Saddam’s WMD and ties to Al Quaeda? Good times, good times…
I know it’s difficult to keep polishing Clinton’s halo without finding excuses for his liberal imperialism but … well, nothing. Just that there’s probably not a lot of point trying to style opposition to the Kosovo fiasco as a conservative thing. If you feel that strongly in favour of the NATO bombardment you should probably take it up with people who have a problem with military aggression as a matter of principle, not just as situationally determined by which party has a guy in the White House at the time. Y’know, leftists. They might help you to a whole bunch of interesting information, like a history of HRW’s cozy relationship with “humanitarian intervention”.
February 6, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Larison is of course John Cole’s idea of a perceptive conservative thinker.
February 6, 2010 at 10:30 pm
He’s on my blogroll, too, for reasons that probably involve alcohol.
I feel strangely protective of young Mr. Cole.
February 6, 2010 at 8:53 pm
Yeah, my mistake was I took it up with people who were there, when I should have been listening to people who couldn’t find Kosovo on a map of Kosovo, but had the awesomest politics. And Larison’s a smidge to the right of Pat Buchanan, btw. Enjoy your bffs.
February 6, 2010 at 10:47 pm
The ad hominememem angle on this is that Larison is an convert to the orthodox church, Serbs are orthodox, and Kosovar Albanian ain’t.
February 7, 2010 at 4:47 am
Chrismeatly @8,
Larison is an convert to the orthodox church, Serbs are orthodox/i>
there might be something to that, like the papists supporting Franco’s fascist putsch back in the day. But we don’t really need to reach that question. An analysis of Larison’s writing strongly supports the hypothesis that he’d be shilling for clericofascist genocidaires even if he hadn’t signed on to orthodoxy. (A very handy religion for conservatives, by the way: just as good as Romanism for superstitious old men in silken robes mumbling ominously and swinging incense, and you don’t need to pretend you like the Jews!)
Max @6,
Larison … John Cole’s idea of a perceptive conservative thinker
Thing is, Cole’s right. Larison is a perceptive conservative thinker, for conservative values of “perception” and “thought”. He’s genuinely as good as they get. So remind me, we are supposed to engage with these people and take them seriously why, precisely?
QH @5:
“people who have a problem with military aggression as a matter of principle” = “leftists”
Fuck you, hippie.
February 7, 2010 at 4:49 am
For once I find myself having to write FMMOS instead of FWP. Sorry about that.
February 7, 2010 at 6:47 am
Good Christ, mopes like Larison would back Stalin’s version of the events of his reign of terror if it served their political needs of the moment–i.e., attacking “liberals.”
February 7, 2010 at 9:12 am
Liberal Imperialism. Huh. That must be the sort of imperialism that involves going in to do a job, doing the job, and then getting the fuck out.
February 7, 2010 at 10:10 am
fuck that was painful , i made it to 2:00 but i m all fucked up now
February 7, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Sure, the Kosovo intervention was a mess, rumors ran amok, body counts exaggerated… 1st casualty of war is truth, etc.(
Why this means anyone wants to “polish Clinton’s halo” (is that some code term like “wide stance”?) is a question for the niche porn filter bots, I reckon. I suppose it links to “liberal imperialism” (not to be confused with “liberal fascism”, under the general heading of “conservative wankdreams”: (Rutger Hauer replicant death scene voice) “I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack blogs on fire off the shoulder of Drudge. I watched he-mails glitter in the spam near Anncoultergate. All those RSSfeeds will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to lie.”
Cheetos for the house!
February 8, 2010 at 7:49 am
Good Christ, mopes like Larison would back Stalin’s version of the events of his reign of terror if it served their political needs of the moment–i.e., attacking “liberals.”
Er, well, in his ever-so-slight defense, mopes like Larison attack “interventionists,” and believe that neoconservative aggression pollutes the vital bodily fluids of conservatism. He’s actually pretty consistent about it, unlike all the Republican members of Congress who shrieked and shrieked about out-of-control warmaking by the executive until it was one of their guys getting us into a worse mess with even less actual justification.
Your mention of Stalin makes me wonder, though. Is Larison consistent enough to agree that the war-weary US couldn’t afford to immediately start fighting the Soviet Union in Europe? Of course, if he’s a true paleoconservative like Pat, he might have preferred that we sit out WWII entirely.
The wackiest thing for me in all of this is that someone who works for American Conservative is so in accord with Noam Chomsky on this.
February 9, 2010 at 2:58 am
Enjoy your bffs.
In other news, Hitler was a vegetarian.
Silly boy. It doesn’t matter how many crusadis, freepers, wingnuts and gold standard freaks refused to cheer on the cruise missiles in this instance, or find a place in their “America Kicks Ass!” memory book for the Liberation of Kosovo after the fact. Of course, hating on the Clenis and the International Islamocommienazi Conspiracy takes precedence here. But that a pack of rightwing nutbars garble the critique of the excuses for the “intervention” doesn’t change objective reality, and specifically doesn’t change the true character of the conflict in Kosovo at the time NATO decided the situation could be improved by bombing people.
I await with interest your fulmination at the Clinton administration’s military aid to Turkey at the height of the latter’s program of village-razing in Kurdistan. Why, yes – I see your association fallacy and raise you a tu quoque.
February 9, 2010 at 4:25 am
I await with interest your fulmination at the Clinton administration’s military aid to Turkey at the height of the latter’s program of village-razing in Kurdistan.
Sure, let me give it a shot: [G]enocide/ethnic cleansing =/= a dirty counterinsurgency war. And trying to stop it would have precipitated a genocide. Also, no evidence on Earth is valid, so I won’t present any.
Not bad for a first try, wot? What’s Latin for ‘la-la-la I can’t here you’?
February 9, 2010 at 11:17 am
Only silly boys preface dismissive comments by addressing their recipient as “silly boy”.
BTW, has anyone here called the Kosovo intervention a resounding success? Or even adequately effective? I’m not aware of it. Closest was peorgie’s “That must be the sort of imperialism that involves going in to do a job, doing the job, and then getting the fuck out.”
and, best I can tell, by the time we’d left, mass graves were no longer being provided with fresh corpses.
I confess that our capacity to install democracy on magic ponyback was less than could be desired, but so it goes with democracy installs in real operating time.
Maybe we *should* have intervened between the Turks and Kurds. I have no opinion; I’m an old-school paleoconservative noninterventionist in this respect.
Ironically, that region is now THE place to be in Iraq. FWIW
February 9, 2010 at 6:15 pm
BTW, has anyone here called the Kosovo intervention a resounding success?
When you decide to dip your dick in race war shitholes like Kosovo, this about as resounding a success as I can think of.
February 9, 2010 at 7:05 am
Anyone in doubt as to the monstrosity of the Serbian government’s actions should look no further than Janine di Giovanni’s Madness Visible: A Memoir of War. Normally I find Larison interesting to read, since I tend to share his Bagevichian view of interventionism (although being far to his left on practically everything else), but he’s off base here.
February 9, 2010 at 11:19 am
Wow, wufnik. Awesome handle and your blog has the best bloglist I’ve seen.
Jonk! if you love Horge!