KABUL, Afghanistan – A NATO airstrike killed at least 27 civilians in central Afghanistan, the third time a mistaken coalition strike has killed noncombatants since the start of a major offensive aimed at winning over the population.
The top NATO commander, U.S. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, apologized to the Afghan president, NATO said.
The Afghanistan Council of Ministers strongly condemned the airstrike in Uruzgan province, calling it “unjustifiable.”
Touchy.
Will Bunch reminds us how far we have come:
Reagan would not have approved of drone-fired missile attacks aimed at killing terrorists; as president he several times rejected anti-terrorism operations for the sole reason that civilians would have been killed by collateral damage. In 1985, he surprised aides such as Pat Buchanan by ruling out a military response to a Beirut hijacking for fear of civilian casualties; Lou Cannon reported then in the Washington Post that Reagan said “retaliation in which innocent civilians are killed is ‘itself a terrorist act.’”
He got over it eventually, but nevermind. Twenty-five years ago the right of the Republican party could consider this unthinkable; today, a liberal Democrat runs on a promise to bomb an ally and gets called a commie. (He keeps his promises, too.) There’s been a lot of bridge under the water since then, but still.
Objections tend to be consequentialist (if I am using that $5 word correctly) – killing civilians tends to make those civilians’ friends and relations not like us very much, impeding efforts which require their cooperation. Or may even inspire failed attempts to terrorize someone. Hence: bad. All of which may be true, and understandable. While I, in my telescopic benevolence, am a bit peeved when foreign civilians are blown up, my peevishness is tempered by the understanding that it’s all a big oopsie and everyone is certainly very sorry for any inconvenience; on the other hand, I can imagine that the people scraping the charred residue of their loved ones off the rocks might not take such a generous view. It’s a bad way to make friends. (The other half of this argument is that the goal is so worthwhile that all is forgiven, but that is usually taken as read.)
There’s another objection, more fundamental, and it goes like this: you shouldn’t kill people who haven’t done anything to you, because it isn’t nice. It’s considered bad manners, under most circumstances, which is why, in our day-to-day lives, most of us go out of our way to avoid “collaterally damaging” those around us, to the point of almost never firing Hellfire missiles anywhere there is even a remote chance of incinerating a baby. If one does happen to kill, say, 27 people one Sunday evening, one can expect to have to answer some fairly pointed questions, at least. Now, we are at war, and the longer it lasts the more it consumes us, but perhaps we could at least retain some small connection to our fellow humans and acknowledge that this was a mistake made by someone in uniform, but this mistake was made possible by deliberate policy. It doesn’t have to be a big song and dance, just something like “today we killed so-and-so, which we didn’t mean to do, but we did risk killing innocent civilians with our actions, which we feel is justified because so-and-so. We think it is worth killing civilians for this reason.” Acknowledgement, owning responsibility, that’s all. And it doesn’t even have to be Obama or anyone important – even Joe Biden would probably be adequate. He’s not doing anything.
February 22, 2010 at 9:01 pm
I recall that bin Laden justified deaths caused in 9/11 with something along these lines – “regrettable but unavoidable when fighting the Great Satan”, etc etc.
Perhaps surprisingly, although this made sense to moderate centrist Al Qaeda sympathizers, it clearly didn’t make it all right with us.
It drove the mainstream of Americans to support two military invasions in Greater Hellholistan, and the right wing to pray to Jesus W Bush for speculative nuclear glassing of every country in the atlas wherever Muslims might be found.
So perhaps to avoid similar desires for blood vengeance in the victim population, we work on the messaging and PR aspects just a little more. Like say inventing a way to bring all the exploded children back to life.
February 22, 2010 at 10:59 pm
“bring all the exploded children back to life”
Or at least a We Are the World-style mega-ballad fundraiser by that title:
…bring all the exploded children back to li-i-i-ife…
with breathless rap interludes by some C&W crossover salt’n'peppah duo, Lazarus Redux.
I can feel it. Can you?
February 22, 2010 at 9:02 pm
http://artistsvale.com/Images/3/thumbnails/CollateralDamage_1080x760.jpg
February 22, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Silly Editors, Afghanis are brown. They’re not people like you and me are.
February 23, 2010 at 8:04 am
To pick a nit, Afghanis are currency. Afghans is the brown ones.
February 24, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Aw, cool, thanks! I actually like being corrected, as it lessons the likelihood of being stupid in the future
February 22, 2010 at 9:29 pm
http://securitycrank.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/winning-the-war-30-taliban-at-a-time/
February 22, 2010 at 10:14 pm
What is it with that Thiers guy in the interview?– and all the damn blinking? I’ve never seen someone blink so much in such a short space of time. Is it a tell that he’s lying or is he sitting on a hot stove? What?
Probably just nervous about blurting out the wrong thing, and that his masters will have his nuts crushed, when they see this show.
February 23, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Might be Arabic Morse code for “Torture.”
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February 22, 2010 at 10:48 pm
“There’s been a lot of bridge under the water since then, but still.”
[!RimShot!]
February 22, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Forget where but I read some Army officer saying that the Taliban were just making themselves look bad by holing up in places where civilians would get killed when Americans fire weapons.
As if Aghanis were too stupid to comprehend the cause and effect whereby foreigners invade and shoot at places where civilians live.
I have this feeling about Marjah, sort of a cross between Tet offensive and My Lai. feels like it will be a turning point of some kind, and not the corner kind.
February 22, 2010 at 11:07 pm
[...] I echo everything in this post by The Editors. Especially this: There’s another objection, more fundamental, and it goes like this: you shouldn’t kill people who haven’t done anything to you, because it isn’t nice. It’s considered bad manners, under most circumstances, which is why, in our day-to-day lives, most of us go out of our way to avoid “collaterally damaging” those around us, to the point of almost never firing Hellfire missiles anywhere there is even a remote chance of incinerating a baby. If one does happen to kill, say, 27 people one Sunday evening, one can expect to have to answer some fairly pointed questions, at least. [...]
February 23, 2010 at 5:55 am
The Editors, will you please consider submitting this post for this month’s Carnival of the Liberals. (Which I am hosting at Stump Lane.) It’s kind of late notice but the deadline is tomorrow. In need of good posts. HALP. More info, including a link to the submissions form, here:
http://www.stumplane.us/blog/2010/02/19/cotl-seeking-submissions/
February 23, 2010 at 6:00 am
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February 23, 2010 at 6:40 am
Push-button cowards. Our military should have to “see the whites of their eyes” before blasting away. These neocon pricks who wave the flag and send people off to kill and be killed should be ashamed. They’re not, mind you, they have no shame.
February 23, 2010 at 7:01 am
I cautiously suspect that terrifying the Afghan population is an unspoken part of the overall mission.
February 23, 2010 at 1:53 pm
“We think it is worth killing civilians for this reason.”
Yes, that would certainly be an unaccustomed breath of honesty with which to fog up our war policies. But you might recall that the very definition of a terrorist is one who willingly targets a civilion population to accomplish a political end or change state policy. Such an admission would be essentially a confession of terrorism. Never mind that it basically encompasses all warfare these days.
February 23, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Is it “willing” or “deliberate”?
February 24, 2010 at 7:59 pm
When you think about it, what’s the difference to the dead?
February 24, 2010 at 8:29 pm
When you think about it, what’s the difference to the dead?
What is the difference between any two things to the dead? I don’t mean to speak ill of them, but they are not known as the most discriminating thinkers. Let us do better.
February 23, 2010 at 1:54 pm
“civilian”
February 23, 2010 at 4:32 pm
today, a liberal Democrat runs on a promise to bomb an ally and gets called a commie.
To be fair, the commies did keep invading each other back during the Cold War.
February 23, 2010 at 5:46 pm
And to think, any ONE of these hundreds if not thousands of “unfortunate” collateral damage incidents would be labeled a terrorist attack (and rightfully so) if it were to happen on US soil. Let’s all pray that the concept of karma is just some starving Buddhist monk’s delusional thinking. The US has a LOT to answer for, for its part in the “War on Terror.”
February 24, 2010 at 2:28 am
Let’s all pray that the concept of karma is just some starving Buddhist monk’s delusional thinking.
Otherwise it could be karmageddon.
February 26, 2010 at 7:28 am
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