Matthew Alexander – an experienced military interrogator (he was part of the team that tracked down Zarqawi in Iraq using non-torture based interrogations) – subjected himself to waterboarding reading Marc Thiessen’s book defending the utility of torture and other Bush administration perfidy. Now that that bit of unpleasantness is through with, Matthew Alexander has a question:
My gut reaction on reading Marc Thiessen’s new book, Courting Disaster, was: “Why is a speechwriter who’s never served in the military or intelligence community acting as an expert on interrogation and national security?”
Here’s an even better question:
Why would one of the nation’s leading newspapers (at least in theory) treat said speechwriter as an expert on interrogation and national security?
Alexander continues:
Certainly, everyone is entitled to a voice in the debate over the lawfulness and efficacy of President Bush’s abusive interrogation program, regardless of qualifications. But if you’re not an expert on a subject, shouldn’t you interview experts before expressing an opinion? Instead, Thiessen relies solely on the opinions of the CIA interrogators who used torture and abuse and are thus most vulnerable to prosecution for war crimes. That makes his book less a serious discussion of interrogation policy than a literary defense of war criminals. Nowhere in this book will you find the opinions of experienced military interrogators who successfully interrogated Islamic extremists. Not once does he cite Army Doctrine—which warns of the negative consequences of torture and abuse. Courting Disaster is nothing more than the defense’s opening statement in a war crimes trial.
While many of Thiessen’s opinions are appalling from a moral perspective (he justifies torture and abuse through the religious writings of St. Thomas Aquinas), the book is comprised of errors, omissions, and a whopping dose of fear-mongering. I’ll concentrate here on his worst misstatements and why his conclusions ultimately make us less safe.
Despite the self-imposed limitations on Alexander’s review, the piece is still bursting at the seams with the stupid that Alexander dutifully goes about dismantling with some ease. Perhaps “dismantling” is the wrong word in that it connotes a preceding construction of some heft. This exercise better resembles breathing lightly on a tissue paper barrier and watching it sail away. At least, if the tissue paper were concealing heinous and barbaric war crimes.
Here’s a taste:
Thiessen promulgates a theory that Islamic extremists are uniquely deserving of torture because they are doctrinally obligated to resist cooperating, after which they may disclose information.
Got it. So, the standard is: It’s OK to torture suspects because the guilty in their midst are trained or obligated to resist. But why stop there? What if the detainee isn’t (potentially) doctrinally obligated, but just really, really good at resisting (or just doesn’t know the desired answers, which could look the same)?
Even if we stick to Thiessen’s more “humanitarian” standard, do any other groups/religions/organizations embrace such a code of resistance? Why, yes in fact:
Of course this isn’t unique to Islamic extremists. The U.S. military’s own Code of Conduct and the resistance training given American soldiers impose the exact same requirements. Article V, pertaining to interrogations states: I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability.
F*cking moran.
Oh, and Heckuva Job Fred Hiatt! You could have at least hired the smart Thiessen.
March 7, 2010 at 9:49 am
I have reached the conclusion that Thiessen et al don’t really give a shit whether it works. They get off on the idea of torture, especially Muslims. They glorify the military yet give it no respect on this one issue. Speechwriter? Political hack is more like it.
March 7, 2010 at 1:18 pm
The main question I’ve always had is, why is Marc Thiessen so smitten with the idea of naked men being tied up and whipped? Not that I have anything against gays or S&M, but I’m sure he does so we should bug him about it.
Seriously, he should be subject to more public ridicule than he is. If not for the sexual aspect, at least for the racial aspect of torture.
March 8, 2010 at 7:12 pm
So tying naked men up in piles and whipping them is gay now? Liberals ruin everything.
March 9, 2010 at 9:39 pm
larry, your avatar is so perfect
March 7, 2010 at 3:32 pm
These guys give new meaning to the Age of Aquarius.
But pictures reveal thousands of 4-letter words:
ShitforDick#1
And 2
Someday, torture will involve listening to the speeches of Marc Thiessen.
March 7, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Someday Dick Cheney will be dead (although that might be debatable), and maybe some of his minions will stop covering for him. I doubt they’ll go to so much trouble to cover for Addington.
March 7, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Cute AND Compassionate
March 7, 2010 at 8:15 pm
In actuality (Christ, here it comes!), justification for foregoing torture (or any other onerous means of military bullshit) is very rarely realized in the short term. That’s why the horses’ asses motherfuckers who possess the power to do so continue to perpetuate this shit in the first place. Confused yet?
Those who might torture know two things: the results, should they obtain them, will likely be immediate; and, the blowback, should they have to suffer it, will surely be delayed, will likely be defendable, and will almost assuredly be deniable. What’s not to love?
March 7, 2010 at 8:38 pm
Because I too have loved a Pit Bull:
March 8, 2010 at 6:21 pm
I’ll bet the bastard made Daddy listen to that damn soundtrack too. Another guy to the sharks!
March 7, 2010 at 9:08 pm
(loving kind wisdom alert) This Christ dude, or at least the brand name thereof, talked about distinguishing bad deeds from those who do them, but we much prefer to think of bad actions as a kind of resident evil in persons.
This confusion of unwanted action with inherent evil has inspired torture from Inquisition to Gitmo et al.
The franchise in Christ’s name focuses obsessively on the fact that Jesus was TORTURED to remove our evil.
So, c’mon: torture is good! Eternal life, dudes.
Those Muslim fundy extremists are smart: BOOM! they’re dead, no pain, lots of sex & paradise. NO wonder Xtians hate them.
March 7, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Had to add, lest anyone gathered otherwise, my heartfelt tribute to “Daddy,” Cesar Milan’s most adorable Pit, was exactly that. I had a Pit named Duke in the 80′s who I loved dearly. They (Pit Bulls) are almost unbelievably soft-hearted when raised properly. A bit like… humans… dare I say it, although I must say, I prefer the Pits overall thus far.
March 8, 2010 at 7:59 am
No confusion possible.
March 8, 2010 at 9:38 am
The trouble with dogs in general: They’re far too much like very annoying people.
March 8, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Torture is reprehensible and unforgivable.
The assertion that one should avoid publicly stating an opinion if one is not an expert, while probably a wise suggestion, can’t really be kept to.
I mean, that’s half of what blogging is all about.
March 9, 2010 at 7:58 am
I don’t think that’s the assertion. It’s not “opinion” alone. The guy wrote a book – holding himself out as an expert. Also, he writes a column for the WaPo. I think a higher standard applies – even if it just means that he should enlist the help of/solicit input from actual experts.
March 8, 2010 at 6:18 pm
I wuff dawgs. That football dude who fought dogs? Feed him to the sharks. Fucker fucker fucker fucker fucker… but then, people pay to watch grown men bash each other to pieces in some game called football, so I guess I shouldn’t be so hard on the guy.
March 10, 2010 at 7:53 am
One of the arguments made at Nuernburg against the porsecution was that it was ‘Siegerrecht’ — the justice of the victors, and that if they had lost, they might be guilty of the same. Well maybe, but then again here we are.
Indefinite detention of some people because they might know somebody who might dislike the US (especially after an invasion?). Sounds like concentration camp to me. Especially since they are all of a particular ethnicity, or else have definite political tendencies.
And was it not precisely Juden in the form of Goldman Sachs that waged economic terrorism against the Reich and indeed the whole world and precipitated the Great Depression? Was it not the Thyssen (heh) Fabrik who made the first weapons of mass destruction? Chlorine gas? (and which Hitler expressly forbade to use in combat, however to exterminate
UntermenschenTerrorists it was quite OK. So were not the Juden clear and present dangers to the Reich?, were they not clearly associated with terrorists, whom we Siegers have since found deserve no rights as human beings?
Isn’t that where we are now JONAH?, und MARC?, und PAM?, und ihr allerlei JUDEN mitunter uns?
March 10, 2010 at 7:54 am
prosecution. Although pornecution would be good, too.